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Monday, November 13, 2017 - 01:57 PM UTC
New photos with details of AFV Club's Doher kit.
The model includes, among other features:
■ Commanderís FN machine gun, car-15 rifle,charge containers, ammo boxes and other accessories are included.
■ Early type muzzle brake, turret front mounted stowage baskets and idf jerry cans are characteristic features of this model.
■ Markings for 3 IDFartillery units.
■ Auxiliary generator is added to the rear of the turret
■ A self-defense machine gun is added to the top of turret.
■ New type main gun travel lock.
■ New type commander tower.
■ The periscope on upper left side of turret can be choosing to install or not.
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I really can't comment on the actual accuracy of this kit is...but it looks awesome!
NOV 13, 2017 - 02:04 PM
The kit is certainly interesting for IDF fans, but I don't understand why AFV Club call it "M109A2". While the howitzer has been significantly upgraded by IDF, probably even beyond the basic A2 variant capabilities, it is clearly based on M109A1 howitzer version with a small turret w/o the extended ammo storage in the bustle.
NOV 13, 2017 - 03:20 PM
Several sources point out M109A5 as a base of Doher howitzers.
NOV 13, 2017 - 10:00 PM
I don't think so. I'm not sure if IDF ever got any A5s. Most sources list A1 and A2 variants as base for Doher. The AFV Club kit is clearly A1 based Doher. Maybe Doher firing equipment is equivalent to that of A5, but I highly doubt any of them are built on actual A5 base vehicles (which e.g. used a newer gun - the same as A6 Paladin, not the same as earlier A1-A4 variants).
NOV 14, 2017 - 12:37 PM
AFAIK, all M109 based IDF SPGs ('Rochev','Doher','Dores') are based on the A1 variant. There are a few A2 examples too, but I'm not sure whether these were received to be used as experimental vehicles for upgrades, or did see actual service in artillery units. The M109 modernization project called 'HIP' (Howitzer Improvement Program) was a joint venture between the US Army and the IDF. The project's aim was to upgrade existing units to A6 level. Although the IDF pulled out of the project after two completed units only, SOME of those improvements, together with a few local upgrades, were implemented (from '95) in the 'Doher'. These locally upgraded units can't be called neither A5 (because of the different gun) nor A6 (only certain elements of the A6 upgrade level were implemented). As Pawel (rightly) pointed out, AFV Club's latest offering is clearly based on the A1 variant yet it's labelled as A2. I really hope the actual kit is accurate...
NOV 14, 2017 - 08:04 PM
And here I was just pleased to have something cool to build...
NOV 15, 2017 - 09:21 AM
Oh, the model is very cool. It is just the name on the box that isn't right, not the kit itself
NOV 15, 2017 - 07:47 PM
I think this is one of the two examples of the cancelled 'Yair' project (as the 'HIP' was called by the IDF).
NOV 15, 2017 - 08:23 PM

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