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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 05:32 PM UTC

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Hey George, where did you get your scale drawings? They look darn good.

And glad to hear the engine deck is a accurate as I thought...without really good measurements it is hard for me pass accurate judgement. And I hate that.


LIke I wrote in the blog's first post, they are from Russian scale modeling magazine called M-Hobby.
I was googling, since when is it a valid verb , phrases like SMT and T-80 in hope to find something new, when I found publisher's website with preview page of their latest issue. There was a link to their store where you could buy PDF version of the magazine and some other stuff.
About SP Designs pieces, it seems to be based on DML detail, only thoroughly gutted. He does good work saving modeler tones of time, my only wish is that SP Designs try to add more fine detail to newly mastered sets and don't forget about lighter armor subjects like BMDs and vehicles on their chassis
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 03:16 AM UTC
Ok George, I might disagree with the amount of info in the first post as to the exact books/mags/publishers...but this once, I will forgive you! No problem, Ijust wanted to make sure that I knew EXACTLY which ones you were using before I began my hunt...Russian publications can be notoriously difficult to track down. Nice to know that they have PDF downloads available. I see that you think the T-80UD plans are a mess, what did they mess up?

As for SP Designs, I am bringing him along quite nicely. You should have seen the stuff he was originally selling back in '97 when I ran across him...it was the best Russian conversion stuff out there, but that was not saying much. And he was still using Polyethylene...you know, fiberglass resin. It was AWEFULL. And then he went to some poor quality resin from the UK that was crumbly when sanded. Ugh. Now, nothing but top line stuff.

As for detail, that is something that has two sides...the up side is I am getting him to add as much as he can that can be molded properly. The downside is that he is limited to gravity casting and a lot of the detail we might want is not necessary for the bulk of his customers, so it is a waste of time for him to do too much. Not a fun balancing act.

And as for the Engine deck, nope, it is all scratchbuilt. It may have been inspired by the DML engine deck, but all details are hand made. Remember, he made the T-80 kits back around 2002/2003 and a LOT of information on the T-80 has come out since then. He would prefer not to touch the DML kits with a 10' pole if possible.

Ok, enough of that. What progress today? I admit that I am waiting for the T-80u upper hull to arrive before I do any more work on a T-80...I am a big baby about all the work needed to be done to correctly add the rear deck.
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2008 - 09:26 AM UTC


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Ok George, I might disagree with the amount of info in the first post as to the exact books/mags/publishers...but this once, I will forgive you! No problem, Ijust wanted to make sure that I knew EXACTLY which ones you were using before I began my hunt...Russian publications can be notoriously difficult to track down. Nice to know that they have PDF downloads available. I see that you think the T-80UD plans are a mess, what did they mess up?

As for SP Designs, I am bringing him along quite nicely. You should have seen the stuff he was originally selling back in '97 when I ran across him...it was the best Russian conversion stuff out there, but that was not saying much. And he was still using Polyethylene...you know, fiberglass resin. It was AWEFULL. And then he went to some poor quality resin from the UK that was crumbly when sanded. Ugh. Now, nothing but top line stuff.

As for detail, that is something that has two sides...the up side is I am getting him to add as much as he can that can be molded properly. The downside is that he is limited to gravity casting and a lot of the detail we might want is not necessary for the bulk of his customers, so it is a waste of time for him to do too much. Not a fun balancing act.

And as for the Engine deck, nope, it is all scratchbuilt. It may have been inspired by the DML engine deck, but all details are hand made. Remember, he made the T-80 kits back around 2002/2003 and a LOT of information on the T-80 has come out since then. He would prefer not to touch the DML kits with a 10' pole if possible.

Ok, enough of that. What progress today? I admit that I am waiting for the T-80u upper hull to arrive before I do any more work on a T-80...I am a big baby about all the work needed to be done to correctly add the rear deck.


Phew, close one. My dislike to his UD drawing is that it's not T-80UD at all. It looks more like experimental vehicle which led to Object 476 which, in turn, later led to T-80U/UD. The turret seems to be one from T-80B with 1A33 fire controls, but with Kharkov bureau remote controlled weapon station. Engine deck seems to be from Object 476, and it is VERY close to one in the Skif kit. There are some dimensional issues as well, most irritable of which is a badly misplaced driver's hatch.
But enough of this rivet counting, here is last weekend's work :


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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2008 - 09:35 AM UTC
Wow, George youre a genious. I would have never thought about building an entirely new hull. Good luck in this project
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2008 - 09:11 PM UTC
way to go man! this is very promissing! keep posting. more more!
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 02:31 AM UTC

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Phew, close one. My dislike to his UD drawing is that it's not T-80UD at all. It looks more like experimental vehicle which led to Object 476 which, in turn, later led to T-80U/UD. The turret seems to be one from T-80B with 1A33 fire controls, but with Kharkov bureau remote controlled weapon station. Engine deck seems to be from Object 476, and it is VERY close to one in the Skif kit. There are some dimensional issues as well, most irritable of which is a badly misplaced driver's hatch.



George, that sounds like a description of the ever elusive and extreemly rare T-80A...really. This is something that is being discussed a lot but the gist is that what you described was produced in numbers of 50 or less. The only difference from what you described is that they use the T-80U chassis with the turbine engine, but did indeed have Kharkov's RCWS, which T-80U's do not.

That aside, gutsy move on making a entirely new upper hull. Do you have a SKIF hull to compare it to? I would like to see how the angles differ. Looking over Sergej's photos, it does not seem that he changed any angles of the hull.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 02:44 AM UTC
Hey George

Great start on this one. You're in for quite some scratch work The turret and diving gear look great. I always enjoy the how people scratch some parts that are bad in a kit. It's a good inspiration. And 1 thing I find absolutely great is the commanders Day/night optics behind the armor glass. Great build and a very good idea of building it this way. It makes me wanna start some russian model

I'll be in touch here for new updates

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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 10:11 AM UTC
Thanks for your comments guys. To those of you who want to make a Soviet/Russian armor model- major producers of this category of kits, which are Zvezda, Skif and to some extent Revell of Germany, announced 15% price increase, so if you don't have specific kit in a stash already, hurry up and get one before newly priced shipment hits shelves.
I didn't have time to do much modeling this week, but to start detailing the bottom hull. I must admit I like doing scratch building from ground up much better than performing autopsy on some kit.






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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 10:17 AM UTC
Hy George!

Very nice work you´ve done!

Best regards,

Andreas
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Posted: Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 06:41 AM UTC
Nice work George...do you have a SKIF lower hull handy to compare it to? Just want to see what the differences are...
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Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 05:33 AM UTC
hey George... That's a very fine job... I'll try that too, but I'll need the plans... You said you used he plans provided in the M-Hobby magazine, but, can you tell me exactly what # of magazine it was? Thanks a lot in advance. Most regards.

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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 05:27 PM UTC
Thanks to rather sudden heat wave, I'm back working on this build. Sadly, same heat spike seems to be messing with my camera I found two major mistakes since last update which are undersized self trenching blade and wrong, too shallow, profile of dent around driver seat; all corrected now. I'm almost done with bottom hull and sides. Due to rather unpredicted chain of events I'm now co-owner of the pressure pot and a good pump, so I only need to scratch one idler, a suspension arm and a support roller

Now on to much ignored inquiries as to how this compares with Skif's pieces. I don't have unassembled kit but a quick comparison with built up T-80UD reveals that Skif's lower hull bath tub is almost 4mm too wide, now I don't claim that these drawings are spot on accurate, but I somewhat tend to believe them. Apart from that, Skif's front hull plate is set at wrong angle, which is some 6 degrees to high (I don't care about it being excessively wide since you will still have to shorten fenders in order not to have too big of a gap between side skirts and road wheels, but this big of a radial difference will require quite a surgery and will be very irritating if not fixed. On the positive side of things, I found no problems length wise or with torsion bar spacing. And after all said and done, Skif's bits are still much better ground for competitive model than DML ones.


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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 05:48 PM UTC
It has been an awful long time since last update, but with summer approaching I don't feel like modeling at all I managed to to get most of ERA installed and do some work on upper and front hull. ERA came from Miniarm's T-72 sets while main piece barrel was taken from T-64B turret. The Miniarm sets, boy are they good, are for two commission builds I have to get done by September. Fortunately, costumer was specific about not installing any ERA on T-72 as he wants early run model B, but it means that I now have to fight Tamiya parts to make them look right.
On the down side there is something terribly wrong with deep wading box, but it's too late to fix*-)

Hope you like what you see.
Cheers| |)

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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 06:19 PM UTC
Ok George, I will bite...what is wrong with the wading trunk?

Nice work. I am going to be updating my work on my T-80U once I get my phot shooting area back again. Ugh.

I have heard some nasty reports that the T-80U turret is incorrect in some shapes. I have looked it over using my resources and have not noticed enough to really say it is a poor turret (Some of the undercut shapes/texture is weak, for example) but the overall shape/size of the turret seems tobe correct. What is your reaction?
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Posted: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 07:53 PM UTC
Re-worked turret's rear and all new trunk attachment:




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Posted: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 08:46 AM UTC
Hey George,

It seems like you squared off the back of the turret...? That does not seem to match the BP's you have right below. Is it just my eyes or a bad photo?

I see the work you did on the "plenum". It seems there are more than one kind, so both appear to be correct depending on which one you want. (I am not convinced yet, but there may even be three different plenums on the wading trunk.)

Nice work. I am slowly improving my build as well, will try to post photos to compare to.
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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 06:36 AM UTC
Excellent job!
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Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2008 - 12:45 PM UTC

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Excellent job!


Save it for the end result, Giacomo


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Hey George,

It seems like you squared off the back of the turret...? That does not seem to match the BP's you have right below. Is it just my eyes or a bad photo?

I see the work you did on the "plenum". It seems there are more than one kind, so both appear to be correct depending on which one you want. (I am not convinced yet, but there may even be three different plenums on the wading trunk.)

Nice work. I am slowly improving my build as well, will try to post photos to compare to.


You got it all wrong, Jacques. I rounded turret off according to the projection to the best of my ability The plenum or whatever this thing is, or does is modeled after one carried on T-80BVs just to play safe.
I'm now slowly moving onto stage where all the fine detail will be added and then it's off for paint job. Dust blocking skirts turned out to be quite tough to model, mostly because of the way they are attached to the hull. It took me most of this week to research the photos, but I think I have them nailed now.
Now, I have a question for all of you who might have dealt with Skif Profipac kits in the past- are they really supposed to be complemented with only one small fret of Eduard PE? I got my T-64B today and it only had small fret with engine mesh and turret detail


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Posted: Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 07:00 PM UTC
Recycle your rivets
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 06:25 AM UTC
That's some serious scratchbuilding George. Well done and keep up the good work.

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Posted: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 08:41 PM UTC

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That's some serious scratchbuilding George. Well done and keep up the good work.

Jurjen


Hey, Jurjen, haven't see you in a while. Is your SA-10 project still active?
Today's work:




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Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 12:37 AM UTC
Man... That's awesome work... Can't wait to see it under a paint scheme!
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 11:22 AM UTC

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Man... That's awesome work... Can't wait to see it under a paint scheme!


Unfortunately, it may take a wile to finalize this build. The problem is that in order to fit Modelfixer or Masterclub tracks I need customized sprocket wheels. With Skif ones just not cutting it for me and fear of going completely insane after scratchbuilding them myself, I chose to wait for SP designs final drives and sprockets set. Until then, all I can add is suspension arms and support rollers. The overall finish I shoot for is 4BO coat in winter weathering.

Today's work:

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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 11:51 AM UTC

Very impressive work, George! It may be a while until we see it finished, but it looks pretty darn tasty in bare plastic/resin/photoetch.



-YL
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2008 - 04:45 AM UTC
The SP Designs stuff is in and I will be updating all sorts of stuff today. Nice work George, but I admit I am still not so sure on the rear turret shape.