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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Trumpeter Geschutzwagen IVb
Grauwolf
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Posted: Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 01:52 PM UTC
The MKs used for this build are the Modelkasten tracks.

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Posted: Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 01:27 PM UTC
who make the tracks for the sd.kfz 165/1 Trumpeter Geschutzwagen IVb, the MK's or is that the maker
wbill76
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 02:21 AM UTC
Thanks Thomas, my pleasure and hope it's useful for you when you build yours.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 08:02 PM UTC
This was a nice one Bill. Useful to me since ive ordered one of these. Great build log

regards
Thomas
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 04:17 PM UTC
Nice job Bill,
I've been watching your build with anticipation !!
Who says a Panzer Grey paint scheme is dull ?
Cheers

jjumbo
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 04:06 PM UTC
Well Bill , I'm on vacation Saturday so I'll be WATCHING Bob
wbill76
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 10:09 AM UTC
James,

Can't say what's next, but will know on Saturday when I sit down to an empty bench and make up my mind.
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 07:30 AM UTC
Thanks Bill. Nicely put and nicely done. Take care. What's next? Or is that top secret?

SHHHHHHHHHHHH Everyone. Let the man work!!!!!!!!!
wbill76
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Posted: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 08:46 AM UTC

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Bill another superb build. How well do you rate this kit on a scale of 1 to 10?

Thanks for sharing.



Thanks James, appreciate the comments! In the review I rated it at a 78% and I think that's a pretty fair assessment, so a 7.8 on a 1 to 10 scale. It's not a bad kit but not a great one either. It does have accuracy issues as well as fit problems with many of the items that have mount posts or holes often not being the right size. There are areas as noted in the build log that require filling with putty, either due to sink marks or poor fit (or even just to correct accuracy issues). It's a kit that takes a little bit of work to get together, particularly with the barrel, muzzle brake, and mantlet requiring seam clean up and attention on prominent areas. Still, accuracy issues aside, it's nothing that a little basic model building skills can't overcome and builds up nicely. Not a fall-together kit though.
jimz66
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Posted: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 08:24 AM UTC
Bill another superb build. How well do you rate this kit on a scale of 1 to 10?

Thanks for sharing.
wbill76
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Posted: Monday, July 21, 2008 - 02:36 AM UTC
David,

Thanks for the kind words, appreciate your comments!

Tony,

Well we sure try hard enough here in the Lone Star State, thanks for looking and commenting!
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Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 06:25 PM UTC

For a Texan that ain't bad Bill.

Guess i'll have to try that dot scrub myself.

Great SBS, Thanks

...Mutt...
TankTrap
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Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 06:10 PM UTC
Thats a nice looking model you have there man its certainly looks very well painted.
I think the red dots in the filter made the difference.

Nice.
wbill76
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Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 11:37 AM UTC
After much careful thought, I decided not to apply any decals to the vehicle but went ahead and applied a Future coat to seal in the base coat as a precursor to weathering. Since I use enamels, this is an essential step even without any decals being applied to protect the base coat from the weathering process. The Future was allowed to dry for several hours while my wife and I went to go see The Dark Knight.

The weathering began by applying a dot filter of primary colors consisting of Sea Blue, Yellow, Red, and White.



The dots are then blended together using a thinner-dampened brush to the point where they are virtually removed, leaving behind an altered base coat in the process. I worked slowly, section by section, and completed about half last night and the rest this morning. I also went along while working the same sections and applied a Burnt Umber pin wash to accentuate the detail and further provide depth. The lightened Panzer Gray mix from the previous painting process was lightly dry brushed over the raised detail. The whole vehicle then received a coat of Testor's Lusterless flat in the spray can.



Next came the weathering on the suspension, I tried something a little different this time around from my usual methods. Instead of applying the pigments wet, I applied them dry and used a stiff bristled brush to work them into the various areas. It's certainly a faster result but I think I'll go back to the wet method for future use.



To finish up, I dry brushed some original Panzer Gray on some of the areas of the turret and hull that I felt needed a little more blending and then it was off to the photo booth for the finished pics.









wbill76
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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 02:28 PM UTC
Thanks Rodolfo, good to see you here on the boards again.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 11:39 AM UTC
Excellent work Bill!, the interior details and tracks looks great!.

Regards,
Rodolfo
wbill76
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Posted: Monday, July 14, 2008 - 09:00 AM UTC

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Hey Bill do you ever take a break? Looking great as always. Can't wait to see your next creation finished. Keep us posted.



Jim, I only work on one project at a time and as soon as one is done, the next one starts...the only time I've had breaks is when I physically go somewhere away from the workbench either for work or vacation with my wife. Building is part of my "normal" routine every weekend and when I don't get my time at the bench it feels wierd. Appreciate the comments and am glad you're following along.
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Posted: Monday, July 14, 2008 - 07:42 AM UTC
Hey Bill do you ever take a break? Looking great as always. Can't wait to see your next creation finished. Keep us posted.
wbill76
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Posted: Monday, July 14, 2008 - 07:33 AM UTC
Over the course of the last week I spent time working on the MK replacement tracks. I'd been conflicted about using the kit-supplied items but when I put them side-by-side, the MKs won out. The Trumpeter links aren't handed and don't have the same level of detail to the track faces or the side cleats and the clean-up effort was going to be roughly the same since there was flash present in the guide-horns and on the links in many cases.



So, the construction of the MKs proceeded over the course of several days. The MK set includes a jig for holding the links and the pins and guide horns are equipped with their own handles for easy installation. The pin handles twist off once the glue is dried and the guide-horn handles were clipped off with sprue cutters.



The Trumpeter instructions call for 88 links per side but this is an incorrect number. The Trumpeter links are the same size as the MKs but the MKs, since they are workable, do have a bit of "stretch" to them, but even with that aside the Trumpeter count is off. I ended up needing 83 links on the right side and 82 on the left plus another 10 for the spare run on the rear of the turret. Since the idler isn't movable, the amount of track sag isn't as flexible as it could be but by adjusting the link count I achieved what I wanted more or less once test-fitted. The clearance with the fenders is close but there's enough room, so long as the sprocket wasn't mounted, to feed the tracks through and then fit around the rollers.





The track runs were then base coated with Flat Black via airbrush then over coated with Non-buffing Metalizer Gunmetal. Once that had dried, the runs were dry brushed with Steel followed by dry brushed Burnt Umber. In the past I've used a wash of Burnt Umber but found that it makes the MK track pins weak and prone to breakage so I tried something different this time around. The result is pretty close to what a wash would've achieved and will serve as a good foundation for later weathering. Both tracks were installed and glued in place on the road wheels and return rollers to keep the desired sag.

I also installed the tow cable to the side of the turret along with the retaining chains on either side. The Trumpeter instructions incorrectly tell you to cut the braided copper wire into a 110mm length and if you do this the wire will be too short. The 110mm length is how long it needs to be once it's glued into the cable ends, so I ended up with only 1 tow cable of the right length instead of 2. This actually worked out ok since the hooks on the sides of the turret aren't long enough to take 2 cables anyway, so only 1 was painted up and installed.



To round out the final construction details, I installed the spare track run and holder to the rear of the turret. My idea to salvage the rack worked out perfectly with the cross bar glued directly to the spare links. The gun cleaning rods were painted and installed as well and while I still think the gun sponge is undersized, it looks like it's the dimensions it has to be to fit in the space provided. I actually flipped it around from how the Trumpeter instructions show it being installed, they have the spong end facing the other way but that actually creates a gap between the spare track cross bar that reference photos show wasn't there, so an quick flip around and all squared away.



Next up will be the simple markings and then on to the weathering!
wbill76
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2008 - 09:23 AM UTC
Thanks Tim, appreciate the comments.
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2008 - 06:17 AM UTC
Nice following your build Bill...always a pleasure to see your work! You've certainly made building and finishing models look easy! Fantastic job with this one!
Cheers -

Tim
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2008 - 02:35 AM UTC
Thanks James! The turret interior is pretty full, it's the lower hull that actually feels a bit empty. Having seen the sprue shots of what's in the DML kit, it looks like DML populates this area more in order to produce the required 60 rounds of ammunition storage vs the 36 that Trumpeter includes. Makes for very tight arrangements for the crew either way!

Bob, appreciate the comments as well. It's an interesting little gun-buggy for sure, wierd enough to be possible but just a little too out-there in the modifications to have made it into full production. My kind of vehicle!
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 07:30 PM UTC
Bill , your painting skills are amazing. The shading is very realistic. It really is a nice looker and I think I'll have to pick one up. Great job Bob
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 04:50 PM UTC
All your work is paying off now, Bill. Wood deck, welds, shading of the grey all look great. The inside of that turret looks sufficiently busy, interesting little vehicle. Nice work so far
wbill76
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 03:39 PM UTC
In order to prep for painting, I followed my usual routine of mounting all the road wheels, sprockets, idlers, and return rollers on toothpicks with small globs of blue tack poster putty to hold them in place. I masked off the appropriate diameter circles in my trusty circle template as well. The lower hull also had all of its mount points for the suspension masked off with blue tack to make it easier to install things later on and the turret was broken down into the upper and lower halves as well.





I took in progress photos while I was doing the actual paintwork but they came out poorly, probably because I was rushing in and out due to the 96+ degree heat and didn't take the time to check them properly before heading out for the next step. I primed everything with a coat of Italian Dark Brown and then applied a base coat of Panzer Gray followed up by additional applications of 2 lightened shades of Panzer Gray for variation. I'm disappointed that the photos didn't come out, but you'll be able to see the shades in some of the follow-on photos.

With the main paintwork done, I turned back to the interior of the lower hull. The wooden lattice was painted with my own special mix of wood color and then treated with alternating artist pastel doses of Black and Burnt Umber to get their look where I wanted it. You'll notice in the photo below that there are squarish looking stamp marks in the wood...I missed these when I installed them otherwise they would've been cleaned up. The tread plate area was first dry-brushed with Steel, then given a wash of Burnt Umber, and dry-brushed with lightened Panzer Gray to round out its look. It's worth noting at this point that the Trumpeter interior only provides for 36 rounds of ammunition where Spielberger says it should have 60...so I think Trumpeter skimped on this area for some reason.



Next up was the lower half of the turret. It received a Burnt Umber wash as well followed by dry-brushed lightened Panzer Gray to give it some depth and highlights. The radio had its details added and the MP40, gas mask, and gun elevation and turret traverse wheels were also further detailed.



I had a terrible time trying to get a decent shot of the added crew gear on the inside, but all of the mess kits, canteens, and gas masks were also painted and added at this point giving the turret a fully-loaded look. Everything fit well on the interior and, curiously, one of the canteens is really well detailed, C12, vs. the other two, P3. I tried to place this one in the most noticeable position to take advantage. Trumpeter went through the trouble of molding an additional canteen on this sprue, why they stopped at just one is unclear. I also detailed the gun breech with Steel for the block and detailed the breech block handle with metalizer Gunmetal dry-brushed with Steel. The whole breech area was given the same Burnt Umber wash and dry-brushed lightened Panzer Gray treatment as the lower half. For just a little variety, I hand painted the "rabbit ears" scope in Panzer Gray to produce some shade difference and also painted the rubber eye pieces on both sights with Aircraft Interior Black.



With all the interior bits in place, I joined the upper and lower halves of the turret together. The fit was generally good but on the left side the join between the top and bottom requires some putty work to produce the required seamless area.



Next up came a return to Steps 10-13 and the installation of the various fender tools and gear. All of the different tools were removed from their sprues and some had extremely thick points on delicate parts such as the clamp handles that required very careful removal. I cut them free from the sprues first leaving plenty of attachment point in place and then trimmed it down using sprue cutters and a #11 blade, sanding as well where needed. The wire cutters and track tensioning wrench are supposed to have mount pins according the instructions and holes are provided for them in the fenders but the actual items don't have the pins molded. I also encountered a small issue with the axe in that the jack is mounted just a tad too far forward so I had to remove its pins and install directly to the fender. Otherwise everything went into place exactly as it should have. The two-piece jack block was also assembled and installed as were the spare wheels for the rear deck.





The rear hull received some attention as well. The muffler was base coated with MM Non-Buffing Metalizer Gunmetal and then given 2 successive light washes of Rust to produce its look. The metalizer has very fine metallic particles and these react perfectly with the wash to produce a rusty but not heavily corroded finish. The brake light and reflectors were painted with Tamiya Acrylic Clear Red and the Notek light with Clear Green for their lenses.



Last thing for the day was to install the road wheels and return rollers on either side. Getting the suspension to sit level was a challenge due to the off-center holes I'd mentioned back at the beginning in Step 3. To address this, I clipped off the ends of the suspension posts to varying lengths as needed wheel by wheel and glued them directly to the base of the posts since this is where they are designed to contact.



Now all that remains is to construct the MK tracks I'll be replacing the kit-supplied items and construct and install the tow cables for the turret and it will be on to the weathering stage.