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Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 01:23 AM UTC
Thanks once again guys for your very kind comments. I had this finished on friday night and enetered it in the IPMS Sweden Open at the weekend, and got a commendation for it. When I get time, I´ll take some photos of the finished model.


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the German officer wearing the rubberised despatch rider's coat needs a slight sheen or not - it's not completely clear to me from the photos


As far as I know, this is an early war great-coat or some sort of officers over-coat, so I didn´t even attempt a rubberised look.

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that Hornet head with the tilted helmet is a must


Hi David. Definatly .... very nice figures and as always .... the head is such an important part ... it really makes or breaks the figure IMO. The tilt adds so much character!!
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2009 - 11:28 PM UTC
Nicely done Frank, that Hornet head with the tilted helmet is a must, I think mine went on a Hotchkiss commander too.

And it also gives me a chance to air my pet hobbyhorse about French tank crew figures - they're all BCC (infantry tank battalions) with not a single cavalryman amongst them!

David
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Posted: Sunday, April 05, 2009 - 02:39 PM UTC
Hi Frank,

Terrific work on the figures.

The only thing I'm trying to decide on is whether the German officer wearing the rubberised despatch rider's coat needs a slight sheen or not - it's not completely clear to me from the photos. Sorry about the nit-pick - it's only 'cos I'm very jealous of your great work!

Looking forward to seeing your next update!

Rudi
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Posted: Saturday, April 04, 2009 - 11:29 AM UTC
Hello, Frank !
Magnificent work! I am admired by your skill!

Alexander
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Posted: Saturday, April 04, 2009 - 11:19 AM UTC
What brand of paint do you use with the figures, Frank? The uniform colors are superb! Magnificent work! I especially think the wounded soldier was done very realistically in respect to the wound. I think this is the most challenging thing to get to look real. Some day I hope I will be able to paint figures half this good and transcend the cartoonish looking way mine presently come out.
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Posted: Saturday, April 04, 2009 - 08:55 AM UTC
Superb work, Frank, some of the best accessories I've ever seen, especially the officer with his belt hanging down. Nice!
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Posted: Saturday, April 04, 2009 - 07:31 AM UTC
I wondered when this one might resurface...now I know what's been taking you so long Frank!

Very sharp work on the figures, almost to the finish line.
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Posted: Friday, April 03, 2009 - 03:46 PM UTC
Oh my, those are amazing Frank i wished i could do something even close to the way those look, beautiful work mate.

Ron.
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Posted: Friday, April 03, 2009 - 02:31 PM UTC
Thanks James. He´s a Dragon figure from the "Panzermeyer, LSSAH Division (Mariupol 1941)" set ....kit # 6116. The head is from Alpine ... an extra from the early panzer crew pair. The belt is from Aber.
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Posted: Friday, April 03, 2009 - 02:01 PM UTC
figs look brill!
the german with the Kar and the flowing coat is my fave by far, who makes him!?
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Posted: Friday, April 03, 2009 - 12:08 PM UTC
Thanks again to all those who replied. Much appreciated.
Anyways ... its coming into the final stages now ... figures are painted. I took some photos before fixing them in place, so better angles can be got. I´ll have some at the weekend, of the finished scene. Cheers









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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 01:23 PM UTC
Excellent work. It is one of those builds that inspires someone (me!) to pick up a hotchkiss kit. Looking forward to the finished diorama.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 11:41 AM UTC

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or maybe he's gonna shoot'm in the back?
(and don't get all emo on this, it's a fact that French soldiers and tankers specially where shot while surrendering, due to the fierce resistance they gave .)



Oh, I know enough history to know the French were pretty darn adept militarily. I was more than a bit bewildered when here in the US French came to be synonymous with cowardice back during the beginning of the war in the Middle East. The French Navy helped us turn the tide against Britian during our War for Independence. If they hadn't helped us we may well have been defeated and remained under British rule. Napolean was certainly no slouch and if he'd have had a better understanding of the beast that is the Russian Winter things might have been quite different in Europe still. (The Germans didn't learn that Russian Winter lesson either.) And the French Partisans in WWII were the very definition of heroic as was the resistance in all the Occupied Territories. It made me wish many more people here knew their own history better than most do.

I'm not sure what "going emo" means. I saw a show about kids in Mexico that called themselves Emos. They sorta looked like Goths sans makeup with weird hair. Apparently everybody liked to beat them up, especially the female Emos, which was the subject of the documentary I saw. They were conducting a publicity campaign for acceptance. I don't think I'd be "going emo" if it entails all that!

I know-
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Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 10:22 AM UTC

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considering his fellow German soldier is holding what would be presumed to be a fully locked and loaded MP 40 and that the captured troops are unarmed and one is wounded, i would suspect that the officer could sling the rifle over his shoulder and the situation would still be the same.



LOL, but you never know with the French

or maybe he's gonna shoot'm in the back?
(and don't get all emo on this, it's a fact that French soldiers and tankers specially where shot while surrendering, due to the fierce resistance they gave .)


with what colours did you paint the H ?

fantastic job Frank, and as I watch this post unwind, I think to myself, what is up these days with all that extreme judgin' the work, don't people have some kind of fantasy ?
ok if you're depicting a photo,but as a work of art, why all those Q's?

well, lookin' out how you're gonna paint them Krauts
and special attention will go to the French tankers
always a challenge to get that leather feel to the jacket.


greet
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Posted: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 08:36 AM UTC

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Very nice work, Frank!

My only comment would be regarding the way the German officer is holding the rifle. It appears to be a bit impractical posture for the situation. He holds the rifle with his left hand and gestures with the right one. If anything happens and he needs to use the weapon, he has to put the right hand back on the trigger first - losing valuable time. It’s a minor detail but I think in reality he would either point the way with the rifle's muzzle or use left hand keeping the right one readily on the trigger.

-A-



considering his fellow German soldier is holding what would be presumed to be a fully locked and loaded MP 40 and that the captured troops are unarmed and one is wounded, i would suspect that the officer could sling the rifle over his shoulder and the situation would still be the same.

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Posted: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 06:41 AM UTC
Rest assured I understand that, Alan... I merely tried to offer some constructive feedback. The group on the DML box art is depicted in completely different situation and even then the posture looks a bit strange to me.

HTH

-A-
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Posted: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 03:33 AM UTC

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Very nice work, Frank!

My only comment would be regarding the way the German officer is holding the rifle. It appears to be a bit impractical posture for the situation. He holds the rifle with his left hand and gestures with the right one. If anything happens and he needs to use the weapon, he has to put the right hand back on the trigger first - losing valuable time. It’s a minor detail but I think in reality he would either point the way with the rifle's muzzle or use left hand keeping the right one readily on the trigger.

-A-




Tell it to Dragon, he's done it how it comes in the set

http://www.dragon-models.com/html/6407poster.htm

Alan
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Posted: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 03:07 AM UTC
Very nice work, Frank!

My only comment would be regarding the way the German officer is holding the rifle. It appears to be a bit impractical posture for the situation. He holds the rifle with his left hand and gestures with the right one. If anything happens and he needs to use the weapon, he has to put the right hand back on the trigger first - losing valuable time. It’s a minor detail but I think in reality he would either point the way with the rifle's muzzle or use left hand keeping the right one readily on the trigger.

-A-
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Posted: Monday, January 26, 2009 - 10:21 AM UTC
wow what a cool looking light tank! Frank you've done a great job, cant wait to see the finished dio. Slainte!
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Posted: Monday, January 26, 2009 - 10:05 AM UTC
Frank, as a Frenchie fanatic,I must say, chapeau!
This is rated top!

nice colors are stunning, the blue tarp on the back, damn,spot on !

greetz
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Posted: Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 03:22 AM UTC
Hi Guys. Once again ... thanks for your very kind comments and support. It makes it worth posting for. I´ve primed the figures now and will start painting this evening.

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What brand and shade of paint did you apply to the engine and transmission?


Hi DJ. I brush paint with Humbrol enamels. Havent a clue what colours I used, as I always mix colours to look right (or pleasing to me). After weathering, having an exact base colour is pointless, IMO.

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I would however recommend taking up a little of the slack in the top run of track.


Hi Wayne. Thanks for your input ... but the tracks are fixed and painted, and I wont be touching them ... its too much hassle for something I don´t know much about myself ... (thast my excuse and Im sticking with it ) I know you guys are right ... I would get depressed by having to alter at this stage. Its not falling on deaf ears though .... I will remember this for the next project that has a thrown track.

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I'd guess you had in mind to do some anyway but I think some brick rubble, glass shards like in the windows and some assorted debris around the tank and on the cobblestones will give a stronger suggestion of the recent battle that resulted in this outcome.


Hi Alan. I plan on using a little dust and debris to fix the tank to the base .... you´re 100% right ... its a wee bit too clean at the mo. I´ll look around to see what kind of debris I have that is typically French and natural for this scene. I want to get the figures ready first and be happy with the placement of them.

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I am disappointed you closed the engine hatch


Hi James. I originally planned to leave it open, but I added too much gizmology and not enough proper details to leave it open. The open hatch didn´t add to the scene I went with either. Good news .... Im building another tank at the moment and am opening it up specifically to see the engine.
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Posted: Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 02:07 PM UTC
I forgot about this one Frank. It is going along very nicely. Very good job on painting the tank. I am disappointed you closed the engine hatch, but that's okay. Great job anyway.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 09:13 AM UTC
Hi Frank

Another fine diorama and will look great along side your others. Looking forward to the figures being painted. I like the figure composition as it is to be honest, the interaction and placement looks fine to me, telling a good visual story with enough to let your mind imagine the rest.

I think the tank being hit whilst reversing away from the line of fire to a better position but being hit and losing its track before it could do so works, well it does for me.

If I may add a little suggestion, knowing this is still not completed. How about some rubble and debris strewn about the place. I'd guess you had in mind to do some anyway but I think some brick rubble, glass shards like in the windows and some assorted debris around the tank and on the cobblestones will give a stronger suggestion of the recent battle that resulted in this outcome.

Great work as always. All the best and a happy new year. Hope you get some time back in the wardrobe soon.

Alan
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Posted: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 08:23 AM UTC
Frank,

I thought the same thing as Jim when I first saw your pictures, however it then occurred to me that perhaps your vehicle was reversing out of dangers way, perhaps trying to get into cover behind the adjacent building, when it was hit breaking the track? A little bit of damage to the front left drive sprocket and voila you have a story. Maybe the title of the whole thing could be “Inverse de conducteur”

I would however recommend taking up a little of the slack in the top run of track. As Jim correctly observes if your vehicle was reversing when the track broke the top run of track would have been dragged backwards over the return rollers by the momentum of the vehicle……. Given the small amount of run off the reversing vehicle probably wasn’t going too fast at the time the track broke.

By the way it’s a damn fine build and one you should be proud of. Love the internal weathering and open hatches. It really looks like the crew bailed out in a hurry. Maybe you could leave some miscellaneous gear strewn around to emphasize the hurried nature of the bail out.

W
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Posted: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 06:27 AM UTC
Frank--outstanding workmanship! What brand and shade of paint did you apply to the engine and transmission? Great job.
DJ