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Dragon Tiger 1 Late Prod. w/Zimmerit
jaberwaki
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Posted: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - 11:14 PM GMT+7
this is one of my favorite kits i have built. have fun.
shineofleo
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 09:38 AM GMT+7
Hi Rowan, interestingly, I am making this tiger as well! I glued the idle wheel... and then realize I'd better leave it... too late and wish me luck.. Anyway I don't quite like the DS track, perhaps I will find a spare plastic track.

There are so many part on the upper hull! It seems that decisions have to be made: plastic or PE?!

All the best,

Leon
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Posted: Monday, April 20, 2009 - 11:10 AM GMT+7
Looks great Rowan! Looks like that I'll have to get this one now....
Sturmgiest
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 12:44 PM GMT+7
Hi Rowan looking good so far,the gun assembly is most impressive.I have this one in the stash and looking forward to it(will be my first Tiger 1)

Cheers
Deano
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Posted: Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 06:14 PM GMT+7
Great to see the Tiger 1 with zimmerit....................not so great to see the lack of Magictracks - for those of us that don't like those unrealistic Dragon styrene bands.
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Posted: Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 02:59 PM GMT+7
Very, very nice info there David. Thank you!
Byrden
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Posted: Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 01:45 AM GMT+7
The kit is correct on that feature .
FredRMA
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Posted: Friday, February 06, 2009 - 07:28 PM GMT+7
I have this kit in my stash and am watching this build with great intrest. My question is this. The two little holes on the barrel "sleeve" do they actually go like that or are they supposed to be pointing down. I thought they were like drain holes or screw holes or something like that and they are pointed straight down.
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 10:39 AM GMT+7
Yeah! Sorry David, just a bit of eye candy to go with the thread, didn't mean to confuse matters , with any anomalies .

Regards Phil.
Byrden
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 09:40 AM GMT+7
Phil, that photo shows a Tiger with a 25mm roof, i.e. too early for this kit.
I wrote this kit's option lists myself and I think I've selected the correct mantlet options, based on the photos I could find.

David
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 08:10 AM GMT+7
Hi there, I think that we can shuffle in a 'binocular gunsight mantlet' if you can find enough references. David highlighted the complexities of this 'production' period of the Tiger1 over on Missing-Lynx,
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/message/1229642323/Wittmanns+Tiger
as the s.SS.Pz.-Abt.101 had a few 'lates' with the 'binocular' apertures and other earlier features fitted to a 'late' turret or hull. If memory serves me correctly this can also be said of the s.Pz.-Abt.503 and s.SS.Pz.-Abt.102 in Normandy, whose combined vehicle inventory possibly span the complete production period of the 'Late' Tiger 1. It would have been a nice touch to include the earlier flat front hull side plate ends, then we would be covered almost with all options to depict on a late.



Regards Phil.
muchachos
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Posted: Saturday, December 27, 2008 - 09:05 PM GMT+7


I'm building the kit myself, and I noticed an error. Part D2, the mantlet, is supposed to have one hole to the right of the barrel, but it is done with two. These holes are for the gunner's sight. Early models used a binocular sight, with two holes, later models used a simpler monocular sight with one hole. The instructions tell us to open the hole on the right if we are building the tank from Italy, but it's already open. If you aren't building the Italian front tank, fill the hole on the right and replace the zimmerit pattern.

Hope I helped, and I hope this was coherent!

Scott
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 01:31 PM GMT+7
Rowan, this build is great! Nice to see so many experts helping. This blog will be one to keep for anyone building late Tigers. Thanks, looking forward to more
iwatajim
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 09:29 AM GMT+7
Hi there Merlin,
I have just bought this kit so will be following this build with much interest. Great work so far.
Cheers, Jim.
seabee1526
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 07:28 PM GMT+7
DUDE! you're killing me! where is the update?
Merlin
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Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 08:01 AM GMT+7

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...yes it does affect the optional parts list! Most of the options should have the small muzzle brake!... David



Hi David

Thanks for the heads-up. Luckily in my case, thanks to a deluge of new aircraft kit samples, I haven't had a chance to make any more progress on the Tiger yet, so I can do a swift re-think on which colour scheme to go for.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 04:41 AM GMT+7
Aaaaagh!

Yes, you're correct, they have numbered the muzzle brakes the wrong way around in the instruction sheet, and yes it does affect the optional parts list! Most of the options should have the small muzzle brake!

Here's a page about it.
http://tiger1.info/EN/DragonMuzzleBrakes.html

I'm mailing Dragon right now about this. I should have seen it myself. Thank you!

David
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Posted: Monday, November 24, 2008 - 10:33 PM GMT+7
a bit off topic but how many of us have non zim tiger i mid and late dragon plan to sell sell sell if i had known i would not have got 3 copies
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Posted: Monday, November 24, 2008 - 04:27 PM GMT+7
Rowan, thanks for showing that.

The problem is the crispness of the molding. As Herbert points out, the one-piece slide-molded barrel is great (though it sounds like Dragon did NOT go that more expensive route in this kit), but styrene can't hold the detail of turned brass like this Armorscale Tiger I (late) barrel:




http://www.armorscale.com/#

I for one would definitely purchase AM muzzle brakes for kits.

Another alternative is to use Tank Workshop's (http://www.tankworkshop.com/Shop/agora.cgi) "flash suppressors" (what we REAL English speakers call "muzzle brakes") for tanks not in combat:



On the question of what color the muzzle would be, they are, of course, silver when new, but even smokeless modern powder will leave some discoloration from scorching and heat, even with cleaning.
H_Ackermans
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Posted: Monday, November 24, 2008 - 04:24 PM GMT+7
There's just that bit more finesse in etched parts for the inner ring, the detailing is much more delicate. Remember, the muzzle brakes from Aber, Armourscale and such consists of up to 9 or 10 parts, that's not doable in plastic with current methods.

As to the interior of the brake, cleaning barrels is a regular task. Wether that leads to polished barrels, I wouldn't dare to say, my personal idea is not exactly.
Merlin
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Posted: Monday, November 24, 2008 - 03:55 PM GMT+7
Hi Bill and Herbert

This is how Dragon have tackled the muzzle brake in styrene:



A note of caution: Dragon seem to have got the drawings reversed, because I've used Parts A11, A17 & A18 and they are definitely the larger of the two styles:



I don't know if that also means the parts call-out for the colour schemes is wrong - I don't have any references to go by. That's one for the experts.

Talking of muzzle brakes.. this is a good excuse to ask you - would the inside be polished metal?

All the best

Rowan
H_Ackermans
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Posted: Monday, November 24, 2008 - 02:29 PM GMT+7
I think a company starting to offer just the brass muzzlebrakes will have a good take on the market, plastic one piece barrels are just as good as turned aluminum ones, only the intricacy that the metal brakes have is something not yet matched by plastic.

bill_c
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Posted: Monday, November 24, 2008 - 10:24 AM GMT+7
Nice work, Rowan, especially for an avowed fly boy!

One comment on the gun: the turned barrel is less of an issue for me now than the muzzle brake. While styrene has come a long way in that regard, I don't see the detail in this particular version to inhibit me from getting an AM barrel for this beauty. I'll know better in the next day or two, but it's just another component from previous DML models that's MIA (including Magic Tracks).
Merlin
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Posted: Monday, November 24, 2008 - 09:29 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text

Just checked the parts pics of the inbox review. If E-26 is the part to use, than it is an unmodified hingeparts.

I guess the Xacto knife will be needed, or a micro-chisel.



Hi Herbert

The instructions state a choice of E26/E28 for the hinge - both on one of the original (non-Zimmerit) sprues. Yes, I think a little chiselling will be needed to sit the hinge deeper, as though the Zimmerit is applied around it.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Monday, November 24, 2008 - 07:47 AM GMT+7

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Something's wrong there... it should sit level with the armour, at the middle.
I suspect they've put zimmerit under the hinge.
Here's a cross-section of how it should be:



David



I'm quite a DML-fan, but that would be just too stupid if they did that!

Could you take a picture of the hatch opening in the turret to show if there is an opening in the Zimmerit for the hinge?

[EDIT]
I've already seen it at the first photo here, jeesh, there's no gap.

How is the hinge part itself?

[EDIT 2]
Just checked the parts pics of the inbox review. If E-26 is the part to use, than it is an unmodified hingeparts.

I guess the Xacto knife will be needed, or a micro-chisel.