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Italeri 1/35 scale S-100 Schnellboot
Gotrek58
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Posted: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 04:54 PM GMT+7
Hi Chris,
there's an old book series in Germany, the "Waffen Revue". I've googled for an index, found "8,6cm Raketenabschussgerät" and the direction to Waffen Revue Nr. 44, dated 1st quarter 1982. And this special booklet was bought via e-bay; 14.00 €.
There are not only the drawings, also the description/manual of the old and the new (M42) version and drawings and desription of the different projectiles (explosive, light and wire (40m or 100m long)).

Michael
PS.: I've sent the drawings and some pics to Cammetts, to challange their craftsmanship - I think Robin Carpenter was very interested!
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Posted: Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 05:28 AM GMT+7
Hi S100 guys

A short message from holland, you are super detailing the S100......good job!

My S100 AKA S262 is finished, a lot less detail but enough for use with RC.......have a look

http://puffin.smugmug.com/gallery/7021366_QQb6R

A lot of info in over 100 pages (in Dutch) with a lot af info on mines and other details

http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/forums/bouwverslagen-schepen/72708-bouwverslag-8ste-schnellboot-flottille-italeri-1-35-a-109.html

Greetings Maarten

mcdurd
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Posted: Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 08:04 AM GMT+7
Hi Michael -

That I might add to my boat at a later time as it would be an easy addition. On the other hand I could pretend that I modeled my Ha-Ju prior to having it fitted....

Thank goodness I have cleaned the workbench and I am working on something else or else it would never be finished

Great stuff here still - I am learning which is why I started building models anyway!

Chris
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Posted: Friday, June 19, 2009 - 06:19 AM GMT+7
Hi folks,

Good idea of having sent the drawings to Cammett, Michael. One less problem to resolve and one more expense to be planned!

Problem #2 has been solved. Every raised detail on the back of the wheelhouse was removed and the gangplank put into place. Looking for two hinges now to show it could be folded up. Aber's PE workable hinges are much too thin compared to Italeri's ones standing on the doors.

Comments are as usual welcome.

(picture wrong, so picture gone)

Robert
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Posted: Friday, June 19, 2009 - 07:16 AM GMT+7
Hi Robert/ welcome Maarten,
Looks very good! The problem with the Lang boat as I see it is that you will also have to remove the flarebox to create room for the helmet racks. I wonder if anyone has any ideas about the flare box. To me it seems strange that this box contains flares that are in no way protected to prevent them from getting wet. It seems likely that the box should have a cover or lid. Maarten je moet url tussen vierkante haken zetten aan het begin en url met een slash ervoor (ook weer tussen vierkante haken) aan het eind om de links klikbaar te maken. De meeste mensen zijn nogal lui (ik ook) en zullen anders niet de moeite nemen.
http://puffin.smugmug.com/gallery/7021366_QQb6R/13/533032308_Gz58s#533032308_Gz58s
Great model/ very nice figures Maarten!

Groet,

Arjan
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Posted: Friday, June 19, 2009 - 07:45 AM GMT+7
Robert -

Nicely done, I like the touch with the hinges - that makes sense! I wish everyone a good weekend with some quality time at the workbench!

Chris
Robert75013
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Posted: Friday, June 19, 2009 - 09:57 AM GMT+7
Thanks Chris for cheering me up, I am most in need!

Now Arjan, thanks to Michael who posted a pic. on page 21, we can see the gangplank was also on Ha-Jü. Problem goes for both of them.
By the way, Michael, do you know where this pic. comes from? It seems not to appear in my books...

As for the helmet rack... One problem at the time please, my hands are full!!!

Robert
Gotrek58
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Posted: Friday, June 19, 2009 - 11:23 AM GMT+7
... and another simple drawing to confuse Robert and a lot of my post are beginning with "maybe...":



Maybe there were no hinges... In the meantime I believe (but that are only my 2 cents ) the gangplank is only layed between the two platforms. There are 2 or more laths, the outer ones to hold the gangplank just between the platforms. The handrails prevent the plank to glide back, The rearside of the bridge secures the plank to slip forward. So it's easy to take the plank away for another function... to act as an gangplank from ship to shore
Don't take this idea seriously - I'm afraid of Robert's hair and teeth!
Robert, take a break, go to town to have some goooood german and calm down.
That tastes and guards the hair from unrepairable havoc

... and finally, you know that pic! I scaned it and scaled it up from the squadrons book, page 28; at the top and to the right. On the left pic of HaJü it's foldet down (or taken away... )
So long,
Michael
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Posted: Friday, June 19, 2009 - 01:01 PM GMT+7
Quote: "... and finally, you know that pic!". Oh Lord! My hair, my teeth and now my sight!

Michael, vielen dank! I have to admit you made a point. I simply forgot that in the Squadron book on page 24, left inside, the gangplank is gone. No quest for the holy hinges then! Merci, grazie, tack ska du ha. Means I'll have to be redoing it with extra laths.
The same picture seems also to demonstrate there was no flarebox...
Who wants to bet it was INSIDE the upper bridge? And groan again. That stuff it's driving me nuts. Gime a gun!

Now, just for the pleasure of it: here's an enlarged section of the RaG showing the way it was fixed. And for the detail lovers you all are, I couldn't resist to point out this little exhaust pipe coming out of the stern that will require to be created...



"Maybe" I should follow Michael's suggestion and get myself , maybe or more likely German beers.

Have a great weekend everybody. Robert

ps: and nice boat & figures, Maarten.

pps: Michael, when I positioned the gangplank, there was a gap in the back of the bridge that could have let it slip underneath. That was the reason why I placed an abutment to avoid so. One more scale error?
Gotrek58
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Posted: Friday, June 19, 2009 - 02:12 PM GMT+7
YES!
Looks like my simple drawing, posted june 17 / 4:46 was nearly ok.

Michael
Gotrek58
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Posted: Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 03:46 PM GMT+7
Here they are - nice craftsmanship - will look great on my beast:



... and the instruction sheet:





Michael
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Posted: Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 05:19 PM GMT+7
Ahoy Shipmates

Cammetts want some more feedback.

Check it out and let your voice & opinions be heard.

http://www.modelshipwrights.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=141275&page=1

Cheers

Sean
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Posted: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 12:03 PM GMT+7
Hi guys,

Backside problem is now solved... Or is it not?!

Will be working on the gangplank again but have spotted one more incoming problem ahead with the antenna holders.
I'm telling you… this kit will be over by the time Outlook Express v.25 is released!



Robert
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Posted: Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 03:47 AM GMT+7
Nice work Robert! Does the hinge come from the Aber hinge-set?

Cheers,

Arjan
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Posted: Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 06:19 AM GMT+7
You're absolutely right, Arjan.

Why, having troubles with your lockers?

Robert

PS: Lion Roar has finally released its PE (ref. #LAS35013) for the boat. For your eyes only.
http://www.lionroar.net/area1.asp?area=1&doType=search&memo=las35013 " TARGET="_blank"> http://www.lionroar.net/area1.asp?area=1&doType=search&memo=las35013
Apart the fact there is no price indication, of the two proposed sets I would rather go for Eduard's one.
Gotrek58
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Posted: Friday, June 26, 2009 - 01:26 PM GMT+7
Hi gents,
it's a real beauty - nearly 4 hours to build and consisting of 49 parts. The flat PE-handels were replaced by brass-wire:







... not just yet in focus, but my son told me, that I'm old enough to work with the new Olympus by myself
Yes Sir, still learning

Michael
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Posted: Friday, June 26, 2009 - 02:19 PM GMT+7
Nice looking mine, Michael and thanks to Robin Cammett for making our dream come true!

Will you be adding a rope to the reel? And have you decided what kind of racks will you be using? I know you're going for Ha-Jü. If Robin could release long curved racks as both Lang and Hans-Jurgen Seeger's boat had, it would be just great!

Cheers,

Robert
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Posted: Friday, June 26, 2009 - 02:39 PM GMT+7
Nice looking mine, Is it hot ?
It took you 4 hours for all mines of the set or just for this one?
What colour are you going to use ?
Thomas
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Posted: Friday, June 26, 2009 - 03:27 PM GMT+7
Hi Thomas,
it took me 4 hours for only one mine - it's very tricky to clean up those little PE-parts. ...and superglue often cements your fingers, the tweezers...
I think, I will paint the mines black with a light weathering and some rust around the wheels because of the saltwater spray at the stern.

Michael
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Posted: Friday, June 26, 2009 - 04:07 PM GMT+7
Evening gents,
Fine mine Michael I 've just checked out the Lion Roar link provided by Robert. I agree with Robert that the Eduard sets are much more useful. In fact, I think the Lion Roar set is utterly disappointing, so many useless parts and so many potentially useful ones are not provided. In Holland the Eduard sets are now available and they are much cheaper than on Eduard's site, which is something I simply cannot comprehend.

Arjan
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Posted: Friday, June 26, 2009 - 07:50 PM GMT+7
Excellent work Michael - the mines look great!

Must resist temptation........

Arjan - I agree that the Lion's roar set was underwhelming as well.

Chris
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 05:52 AM GMT+7
Hello boys,

Press Release: The Back Is Over!
Well, originally as the platform handholds were ending to the top of the partition, my two vertical rectangles bother me "juuust" a bit now since they are seating above the handholds. Guess I’ll live with it – beside I’ve no more teeth or hair to tear away, so....



Robert
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 08:22 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text

Nice looking mine, Michael and thanks to Robin Cammett for making our dream come true!

Will you be adding a rope to the reel? And have you decided what kind of racks will you be using? I know you're going for Ha-Jü. If Robin could release long curved racks as both Lang and Hans-Jurgen Seeger's boat had, it would be just great!

Cheers,

Robert



Hi Robert

I have discussed this with Robin and at the moment there is nothing we find, apart from other smaller mines types that would fit the long curved rails. According to the drawings I have the guage of these rails is about 25% narrower than the the short set - thats why you never see the large mines on the curved rails. The only pic I have of the short rails in use is on page 57 of Labourdettes and they are holding what look like anti-sweep mines

Brian
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 09:35 AM GMT+7
Hi gents,
I will build S-205 HaJü with the Italeri rails and the mines. The boat will not be displayed in the moment of surrender at Felixstowe, where all the pics were taken - some weeks/months earlier, when the 4th S-Flotilla was operating in the channel area, also executing mine sorties.

Michael
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 10:51 AM GMT+7
Hi Brian,

Thanks for your reply. As Michael - our distinguished librarian - suggested it on page 22, the long curved racks may have well been used for SprB Sprengboje.
The enlarged picture you refer to in Labourdette's book looks to me like the mines are standing on straight racks and not curved ones, don't you think? Hope it helps!

Michael, does your information says what kind of mines the 4th S-Flotilla laid in the Channel? If I do recall, S-204 & 205 were late builds, sometime in 1944. Do you think they would have changed their racks in the meantime, depending on the carried load? I'm just asking, I really don't know what the answer is...

Robert