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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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DML#6383 Tiger 1 Turret Zimmerit Mod
Thirian24
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 03:47 AM GMT+7
As I read through this thread, I sen where he was doing a, correct me if I'm wrong, water color or color pencil Tiger1. It looked awesome, but wow... His work and techniques all laid out in this threa has really been helpful to me because I'm a very visual person. So seeing the pictures of what he was doing was very nice. Like how he did the road wheels with the sponge. Glad I dug this old thread up.
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2015 - 02:17 AM GMT+7
Phil is working very hard on his art now. I wish that he would get back to these kits as well!
Dan
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Posted: Saturday, December 19, 2015 - 05:22 PM GMT+7
I know this is a very old thread, but this work is absolutely amazing.

Amazing job, Phil. Even though you may not be in here any longer.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 - 06:49 PM GMT+7
I have just recently stumbled upon this thread. Looking into building a Tiger. Just finishing up a very late Tiger II. I am wondering how accurate are the Tiger I's turrets are. Is it necessary to purchase those resin replacement turrets/mantelets? Which supposedly show the more accurate off-set barrel. Thanks for your assistance. Great looking set by set builds and helpful hints. Great looking Green 121.
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Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 11:47 PM GMT+7
Hola amigo Phil!
This is what I have in my Tiger:









Greetings from Barquisimeto, Venezuela to you and all friends of this excellent forum.
Rouse713
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Posted: Monday, May 28, 2012 - 11:04 AM GMT+7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-Kfh3ywS0&feature=relmfu

Go to 6:30. I learned my technique from this video. I also add an addition step, after the base yellow and brown streaks, I and a blending wash of red to tone everything together. Don't worry about being so precise with the brown streaks, it is just to add contrast.

Here is a tiger I finished a while back. Please excuse the dust, I keep my models out in the open. Not as good as this threads original poster, but just some references of what that technique looks like.






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Posted: Monday, May 28, 2012 - 08:49 AM GMT+7
Hey All,

I know this is an old thread, and in fact, I've written directly to Phil to ask similar questions, but perhaps he is indisposed or busy, as I've not heard back from him (though I have previously heard back on other questions), so perhaps you other armor experts can answer a very basic set of questions for me.

I know that there are various philosophies of painting tools/cables/etc. that are attached to a vehicle's hull, some folks prefering to paint them while attached to the hull, others do it separately. However, in this thread, I noted a few things. On page 13 or so of this thread (my computer is set up such that I am now replying on page 26 of the thread), Phil had created a wonderful 'wood block' out of balsa. This item looked great 'as is'. However, I noted that the block had been attached to the hull, was sprayed with primer, and then the final color coats, and then, magically, appears on later pages, to look exactly like it had before it had been oversprayed. I see that Phil had devoted a posting or two about the painting of cables after the main color had been sprayed, by positioning paper under the cables to paint them without getting the 'cable colors' onto the hull, but there was no discussion about painting the pioneer tools, or that 'wood block'. I presume the wood block must have been repainted at some point, but how that was done, I have no idea, especially since that item can't have been done the same was as the cables (i.e., there is no way to lift the block and put a paper 'barrier' under it to prevent getting paint on the tank body itself).

I am building a Tiger as well, and will be getting to the point of needing to decide whether to attach tools to the hull for the main color coat, or try to paint them separately, and attach them later. I must admit that, being a newbie, I have spent a great deal of time trying to figure out the best way to accomplish this. Not to mention, also fretting over how best to paint those tools, to get the most realistic metal parts and wooded handles. Can anyone help a very stupid person figure out these details? Thanks in advance!!
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2011 - 08:25 AM GMT+7
Hi Phil. Well its been a time since I managed to drop in, so as usual it takes an hour to catch up. Still loving this thread ... and learning so much. For anybody ever considering building a Tiger, this is thread # 1. It has it all. Great work and hopefully you can keep it going!!
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2011 - 06:57 AM GMT+7
Yo Phil!

What did you use for Zimmerit on the CH6660 turret? Looks good to me!

Here's my most recent effort;





All the best, Tigerfan!
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Posted: Saturday, November 19, 2011 - 04:32 AM GMT+7
Thanks for everyones continued interest... Even during my prolonged absence, things are slowly getting back to normal, and I have been tinkering and purchasing in a Tiger theme again.
The '211' Doppelganger is all repaired and ready for painting, and the other two Late 2nd Kompanies Tigers will be getting a dust off ready for paint processes shortly.
Two things I recently purchased...


Just when you thought that there wasn't enough brass on a Tiger! Seriously these are excellent additions to the RB range, whilst the DML supplied antennae bases are very good, these two part machined parts are a lot crisper.

Another item I have bought and I am awaiting is the Verlinden 1:35 Panzerwerk Tiger I Stage 1 Hull, #2648... Whilst it looks very interesting, I have one initial reservation, by depicting the hull roof with an armoured turret protection ring (February 1944), this will limit a lot of modellers, to a very short production period, as the hull has the flat 'un-sculpted' lower hull front end plates (up until March 1944?) It does have the September 1943 firewall though! Still a very interesting and affordable production piece of factory dioramas or 'wrecking' projects!!! The thing that really interests me is the hull floor, those supports and braces look like they will save a lot of scratch building.



Cheers, see you all real soon... Phil.
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Posted: Sunday, October 02, 2011 - 10:55 AM GMT+7
Been going through this thread again, most outstanding and breathtaking work old chap!
My wee kittens have started to move around and demand some attention....bugger!
These felines are certainly the cats miaou!!
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Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 09:43 AM GMT+7

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Hey Phil,

Great to see you back in the saddle again. Always nice to see you posting updates to your build. Your work is outstanding.
Dave



Ditto that! However your absence did give me the opportunity to catch up on your log . . . don't do that again or you'll find yourself sitting in the corner of the room with outstretched arms holding two buckets filled with water, LOL

Some of the best builds, information and photographs posted here from you and everyone participating in this log. Keep it rolling along, this is excellent!

-Eddy
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2011 - 08:34 AM GMT+7
Hey Phil,

Great to see you back in the saddle again. Always nice to see you posting updates to your build. Your work is outstanding.


Thanks for sharing.

Dave.

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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2011 - 08:10 AM GMT+7
Ahhhh,

Its nice to see some plastic posted in this thread again.
barkmann424
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2011 - 07:22 AM GMT+7
Sounds good Steve, at least we'd have some near neighbours!
Malmedy is good halfway for a swift 330ml!





And so it begins again! This is a really beautiful kit, 6660's are flying together, the roadwheel options excellent.

Sorry just a 'teaser' for now!

Cheers folks... Phil
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Posted: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 06:02 PM GMT+7

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Cool pic Steve! Was it a race weekend? I am actually thinking of moving the family out there at some time in the future... It's like round here, but with the Forests!
Maybe we could get a group of modellers together under the tutelage of Mig, and go and weather '213'!

Cheers Steve! Phil.



Count me in Phil. Pigments by the bucketload applied with large brooms. Much fun to be had there I reckon .

Not a race weekend at Spa I don't think, but it was a sultry summer's day and the heavens opened while we were there. We'd also been rained on earlier at the Grandmenil Panther.

I can also see myself returning to that neck of the woods permanently at some point in the medium-term future (I'd go back next week if I could). Probably just across the border in Germany though, as the tax regime in Belgium is punitive and property prices in Luxemburg are unaffordable.

- Steve
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Posted: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 01:40 PM GMT+7
Hi Phil, Im glad to see you back, hope to see some updates soon.
I liked the idea of weathering the 213
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Posted: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 01:12 PM GMT+7
Cool pic Steve! Was it a race weekend? I am actually thinking of moving the family out there at some time in the future... It's like round here, but with the Forests!
Maybe we could get a group of modellers together under the tutelage of Mig, and go and weather '213'!

Cheers Steve! Phil.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 10:30 AM GMT+7
Phil, I've seen the La Gleize KT many times, and looking at those photos in your blog has made me want to go back again. I spent many a long weekend mooching around the Ardennes when I was living in Germany. One of my favourite parts of the planet not only because it's steeped in history but also because it's utterly beautiful.

And as you say, Belgian beer knocks the spots off the muck they serve over here!!

Last time I was in La Gleize, the KT it was just all-over "dunkelgelb" ....



Looks like they've now finished the paint job, but I'm really not sure about that "rotbraun". And it could definitely do with some washes to add depth. A bit of subtle weathering wouldn't go amiss either. Looks far too toy-like as is .

- Steve
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Posted: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 09:17 AM GMT+7

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Hi Phil,
Great to see you back and, like a lot of people I suspect, looking forward to the next installment.
Nice to see you got to La Gleize in the summer, great pics, copied and stored thanks.
Some summer eh?, it started & ended on a Tuesday at the beginning of the July over here..

Best Grant.

PS: Cool jacket...




Haha! Now that is funny Grant! I was told by some guys in Stavelot, that it has been a dire summer in NW Europe! It was a bit on and off when we were there.
Glad you like the Jacket, saved me from many a burning Tank, it was a bit warm though when marching the lads from Trois Pont to La Gleize! I am starting to come round to your way of thinking on chipping, rust, water marking etc. '213' was notable in it's lack of rust and weather streaking, even though many avid 'Panzer Mountaineers' have crawled all over her and chipped a lot of the edges and raised fittings. Maybe the lack of rust streaking is down to the high carbon content in the rolled plate armour?
Thanks for the yellow ribbon of modelling, it feels good to be home!

Cheers and Best Phil.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 07:48 AM GMT+7
Hi Phil,
Great to see you back and, like a lot of people I suspect, looking forward to the next installment.
Nice to see you got to La Gleize in the summer, great pics, copied and stored thanks.
Some summer eh?, it started & ended on a Tuesday at the beginning of the July over here..

Best Grant.

PS: Cool jacket...

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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 - 07:56 PM GMT+7
Hi Phil,

Nice detailed pictures of 213! Thanks for sharing.

I only have 5 of the Dragon Battle of the Bulge kits to build, so I needed some inspiration.
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 - 10:05 AM GMT+7

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Glad to see that you are back!
Dan



I agree. Can't wait for the next update.

Johannes
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 - 09:54 AM GMT+7
Hello Dan good to be back! It was toch and go at one point... Belgian beer is far superior to our swill!
I'll drop you a PM later.

Cheers Phil.
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 - 09:21 AM GMT+7
Glad to see that you are back!
Dan