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DML#6383 Tiger 1 Turret Zimmerit Mod
barkmann424
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Posted: Monday, September 20, 2010 - 09:08 AM GMT+7
Hello! Anyone still there?

My apologies for the extended absence... Quite a bit to sort out behind the scenes!
Hi Dan! I do indeed have a few images of the terrain and gradients, from Malmedy to Verviers... It is a very challenging environment, I'd expect that a modern MBT would have a hard slog navigating the Ardenne region. I will
post some on the Barkmann blog, ASAP.
I should receive the CMK sets in the morning, so I will be able to crack on with the fighting compartment.
I have made headway with the firewall and the support brackets for the under basket stowage.


So hopefully back tomorrow!

Cheers Phil.
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2010 - 11:37 AM GMT+7
Phil,
Hope that you were able to take many photos of the terraign-one can get a feel then of how hard it must have been to manuver those under-powered beast in that diffacult area.
Dan
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2010 - 11:28 AM GMT+7
Hi Pawel! Hello Bill!

Thank you for your 'pep' up's on the Tiger blog! Greatly appreciated, as always...

How many more to do Pawel? ...Well these two '211's and '234' should see off this saga, before I get the rest of the tubs for the 2nd Kompanie all constructed! I find that when I obtain a kit, it is best to build the basics... Then they have to be built, and not sold, though my cabinets do look rather drab with all that grey styrene sat in them! Perhaps my future goal will be to complete the s.SS.Pz.Abt.101's full compliment over the next three years. (a company a year, with the Stab thrown in for good measure!) The N175 is slowly being collected and researched, I just need around 30metres of house space now!

Hey Biil! Thank you for the warm welcome upon my return to these blighted shores! I should be back up to speed soon, I just have to tie up some work related issues! The Ardennes were awesome, we got to visit a few places, but unfortunately my tired old legs were not able to complete the 'roadmarch to La Gleize, for a shufty at the King Tiger, as the campsite was situated on the other side of the track, and with road closures, and lack of transport... Kampfgruppe Peiper got further than me in the end! Though Malmedy was amazing, a true jewel nestled in between the unreal scenery, of the forest!
Glad that I have been of a little help on the pasting front...

TTFN... Cheers Phil.
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Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 10:08 AM GMT+7
Hi Phil

Welcome back to 'sunny' Blighty. I think we might just break out the flippers...

Anyhoo; I note you are using attachment points for the PE front mudguards - on my last couple of builds I used modified twist-nuts from the Panzer IV engine louvers (Dragon Smart Kit), but what are you using here? I see Aber offers the part in PE (a bit thin IMHO) but Voyager offers nothing - what say you?

Keep up the good work & thanks for the encouragement on the Zimmerit front.


Bill
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Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 08:11 AM GMT+7
Looking good Phil. Like always. How many more you have to do?

I've also spotted the new ET MODELS releases they seem to have fewer parts but the price is also lower. I'm very keen in seeing their C -series set of KT. I feel it maybe something I waited for since a long time.

spit
barkmann424
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 08:39 AM GMT+7
Right then! I don't know about you lot? But I don't want to be coming back from my sojourn, to a heap of grey styrene sat on my rather unkempt workbench... So I thought that a blast of Rob's trademark dark/red brown would give me something to really get stuck into when I get back, when starting to apply some more of the coloured basecoats.




I have noted a few missing PE parts... Probably from it's fall from grace, and bath. Also some areas require a little filler!
Hi Grant! I have seen these whilst spending the hard earned Mr Cameron/Caesars silver, and they are on the hit list... The Pe that is! They do look very interesting, though I have not seen the skirts previously. What are you up to? ...Fancy a beer in Malmedy on Thursday? Or La Gleize on Monday!!! I was hoping to extend the trip a little longer and get up 'North'... Ah well maybe soon?

Take care y'all... Back soon. Cheers Phil.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 08:34 AM GMT+7
Damn these summer months for interfering with build progress
Ye Tiger's looking great nontheless Phil.
So your off to Belgi, hope the sun starts shining for you. And hope you get lots of snaps of the La Gleize beast.

A new Tiger item I've just spotted for sale;
Maybe one for the Barkman Test Bench?


At first I thought one fret is not much for 6euro, but after further investigation I found this full contents pic:


They've also got this fenders set coming, but I don't think it's released yet:


Happy Holidays,
Grant.
barkmann424
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 02:52 AM GMT+7
Hello again all! Hi Dan!
The Buzzcocks... A local band! And a very important one at that! Excellent choice, of sounds for modelling... Especially when something 'goes wrong'!

I'll just squeeze a little update in before I head over to Belgium for the Grand Prix... And a spot of battlefield touring, really looking forwards to the King Tiger at La Gleize!


Well how little have I done since the last modicom of modelling, you ask? Well not a great deal. Weather, work and politics, all seem to have played their hand in the last few weeks! Plus the Tiger '211'D' took a tumble and has had a few repairs.
But at least I have finished the remaining front mudguard/fender.


And a few more interior details have been added, such as the MP40 bracket, the cushioned pad for the expelled '88' casings at the rear of the breech basket, the gunners elevation controls, and the start of the three sheet metal boxes/compartments at the rear of the turret, between the MP40 bracket and the main guns counter balance cylinder.

Just a quick look at what can be seen from the exterior!


I will try and get some better 'lit' shots up later on, as you can see a fair bit upon close inspection.
One good thing about the weather in these parts is... You can actually use it to good effect when weathering large pieces... The sub-base has been given a heavy filter and some random washes, along with a touch of 'scenic rust'! Though a little coarse at 1/35, this weathering medium really is something else when used upon 1/1 subjects...

It really does give you an actual rusted patina! And if left out in the heavy rain we have been getting of late... The rust streaking, and light dusty deposits are done for you!
I may be back later on depending on what I can fit in today...

Cheers... Phil
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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 08:47 PM GMT+7
Dan's been listening alot to Ganf of Four and Buzzcocks! Crazy '80's music!
Dan
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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 02:24 PM GMT+7
Evening all!

Woowee Grant! She's a corker mate! And a mid to, even better! With this beauty I think I may have to get some of the alt Tamiya mittels... Maybe, maybe.
You got me on the 16ton jack, I was searching for them for about an hour!
The Zimmerit does look great, and with your paint on top will look awesome. I know what you mean about the weather... I get back onto site, and the heavens open! Take care, and speak soon.

Hi Dan

Anything good and devilish on the Panamadans Turntable? I am currently listening to 'Flame Job'... And a 'Date with Elvis'!

Hello David! Thanks for the confirmation on the Kubinka Tiger's internals... Ah well back to the puzzles eh? I wonder what happened to '334' of the 3./s.SS.Pz.Abt.101 that was recovered from the Normandy campaign, and was 'evaluated' at Chertsey? This would perhaps bridge a gap in the interior evolutions, (this was an October build?) ... And must have been extensively documented, as '131' was? I expect that they ended up on the ranges eventually?

Okay I'll go and strike up the styrene folks...

Cheers everyone. Phil.
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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 12:20 PM GMT+7
i am told that the Kubinka Tiger turret interior storage is the same as depicted in the Tiger Turret Manual, and reproduced in the book "DW to Tiger 1", except that there is a radio connection panel on the right wall and a couple of the boxes are therefore moved.

David
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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 09:29 AM GMT+7
Looks great Grant! More Tigers!
Dan
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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 08:40 AM GMT+7
Hi Phil,

Oh Doh! is me.. I really meant a 15ton
I was getting 15 ton Jack mixed up with 16 ton John(ny Cash)

The 'construstionworker' holidays have just started here, so of course El Scorchio has going into hiding until they're over.
Two more weeks and I've got my holidays. So maybe then I'll be able to get some work done on my very very slow Tiger build; Tamiyas Mid;
My first putty zim job, with Tamiya Epoxy and zimspired by your work here:





The apron zim is from a Cavalier set (what I got from your good self).
It already had smoother texture/shallower rib, so I slapped it on.

I tried to copy this look:


No masterpiece but I'm pretty happy with it for a first...

Cheers, Grant.
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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 05:32 AM GMT+7
Hello everybody!
The weekend is here! Now I just have to locate the workbench

I have mainly been reading up (okay looking at pictures! ) of the Tigers innards. Very scant references and many modifications along the way, are making this a tricky task indeed... Though not as tricky as some other puzzles I have been up against recently!
Also with the treadplate failing to materialize, I have had to re-order, thanks to Histortex Agents, always the modellers least remembered friend, a good stock of Abers treadplates will be on the doorstep very soon!

Hi David! Thanks for the link to the MP bracket. That must be what attaches to the welded strip in my Saumur references? I am starting to ponder about the reason for the removal of most of the turrets interior wall mounted stowage was either crew snagging, or the items becoming dislodged when in combat? Do you know of any internal images of the Kubinka Tiger, maybe this holds another piece of the jigsaw? Thank you as ever for your insights David.

Hello James! Thank you ever so much for the extremely kind comments. The Zimmerit was mixed using the original recipe... Without the sawdust! It was done to slake my own inquisitiveness about it really, and for a little research project It involves a 1/2 scale turret side, lots of coloured paints and some bushes! The pattern was 'raised' using a spatula (more in keeping with the Mantlets pattern) rather than a 'gear' (I have not been able to convince a scrap dealer to part with one yet, for less than a couple of quid. I think I will have to construct one from wood!

Hello there Frank! Great to hear from you, thank you for your comments, as always very uplifting to get praise from such an accomplished modeller such as yourself. I have been poring over your T34 dio, exquisite! Those bricks have been noted and will be used in an Elsdorf Tiger scene at some point in the future. Cheers .

Well Hello there Rob! I think the praise should be directed more towards yourself for the excellent SBS's that you have provided on your site... You have done all the hard work for us, embellishing us all with a very enjoyable and effective set of techniques, that certainly do the job! I am really looking forwards to getting some more paint onto this cat...

Greetings Wouter! Good to see you, how is the #6600 coming along? I have not had much chance to 'mess' with mine yet, but it sure is a beautiful, and extensively researched kit. Don't worry about the wheels coming off this Tigerfest, I have a few more to come yet... All in the name of Zimmerit research!

Hello Grant! Are you still being tortured by the scorching weather, or is it 'bailing out' season in Groningen now?
Perhaps I could procure one of those medical camera jobbies? That would certainly get where the sun don't shine (in a Tiger of course!), and I don't mean the North West of England! Any Tigers straining at the leash to be built recently?
Hmmm! 16 tonne Jack? Does Aber cover it in there 3-1 heavy German Jack Fret #AB35A19? They include the 20 and the 15!


Good to hear from you mate!

Right I'm off to have a mid-life crisis... And build some tanks!


Cheers Phil!
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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2010 - 03:07 AM GMT+7
Top paint job on the interior Phil. Hope you can get your camera in those hatches for us when it's all finished.

Grant.

PS: Do you know if any AM makers do a 16ton jack?
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Posted: Monday, August 02, 2010 - 03:56 AM GMT+7
Hi Phil

Wouter here (MilMod )

Nearly missed this blog out...man, it's a huge build but your kitties look stunning...keep on rollin' mate

And thx for linking to this one, since I'm gonna order me some MasterClub initials...

grtz
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Posted: Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 03:36 PM GMT+7
Just getting caught up on this Phil. The turret and especially the gun breech and remains of the basket look fantastic.
The practice ire wall looks awesome, and like I said it is easy and fun to do.So now you know why I am addicted to the wrecks.
Looking forward to you doing the actual model with this technique. I will be doing a similar technique on my T69II soon.

Rob
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Posted: Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 09:33 AM GMT+7
Hi Phil. Thought it was time to have a read of this brilliant thread again. Still as inspiring as ever. I enjoyed the track comparisons. Have to agree with the masterclub tracks assessment. I got a set for the initial Tiger ( review here), and they are probably the nicest aftermarket tracks Ive seen. Funnily enough I got a set of the AFV Club tracks for my late Tiger. Thanks for the tips.
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Posted: Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 08:35 AM GMT+7
Great work Phil, how did you make the Zimmerett for the base? Looks freaking awesome!
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Posted: Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 06:16 AM GMT+7
You're right, there was very little on the walls in a Late Tiger.
The MP40 was stored by the escape hatch.

David
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Posted: Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 03:19 AM GMT+7
Hello out there!

A day of rest... And Tiger wrestling! Better late than never eh?

Hi Dan! " Mmmm-'Ground Pink Himalayan Rock Salt' he says in a Homer Simpson voice..." You are absolutely correct, a serious modelling deviation! I self administered a good dose of 'Ralph Wiggum, by The Bloodhound Gang' followed by a 5mg spoon of 'coarse salt' ... The method is looking better already!

Hello Teemu! Thanks for the awfully nice comments, and those awesome links... I wish my path in life had been precision engineering sometimes, especially when you see this kind of skill. Jaw dropping stuff!

Right a small update then. I am still waiting for the brass tread-plate, and the CMK sets , so I went to the books and web, in order to find anything on the later interior layout of the 44' Tigers... And there is not much, 'Jentz and Doyle's DW to Tiger 1 has the best clues to the stowage racks, that populated the 'shelf' above the turret ring, as well as the turrets mechanisms for the turrets traverse and gun elevation. A real lot of items that were stowed upon the turrets interior wall have been removed by this point, (unless the Saumur Tiger, has been gutted , whilst sat in Northern France?) there appears to be very little conduit and mountings at all compared to say, the earlier produced Bovington and APG Tigers. To me it looks as though these 'bins' that populate the lower turret interior took most of the previously wall stored items!
So it was of to the cutting mat, with some stock styrene sheet, rod and strip, for an attempt to try and replicate these later additions to the 'minimalist' Later Tiger Interior!







Now on the back 'shelf' in DW to Tiger 1, there are a couple of images that show smaller compartments, for what looks like 'episcope' components etc, but I am not sure if two or three differing patterns are fitted between the main guns counterbalance cylinder and the escape hatch? ...David? As you can see the Verlinden kit is anything but comprehensive! So a lot of very visible smaller detail has been added, whilst trying to keep it 'through the hatch' yet detailed enough to show a 'light destruction,!







A real lot of interior details can be seen through the open hatches, as with all open, the interior is well lit. In keeping with the fire that '211' was part gutted with, I have tried to show the spent shell case basket, as partly burnt. For this I rolled out some 'Green Stuff two part Epoxy' to a very thin depth, and impressed a piece of cloth into both surfaces, leaving the putty to cure for an hour, it was then 'torn' from the rolled out piece and formed onto a brass tube frame armature, to give a sort of 'grilled' remnants look to the remaining shreds of cloth!



Okay then back onto a little more detailing of the main gun and it's ancillaries, then we should be reaching for some paint in earnest in the near future eh?

Cheers for the continuing interest folks and friends... Cheers Phil.
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Posted: Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 01:37 AM GMT+7
Hello from Finland, awesome thread ! Nothing to add, waiting for more and drewling as you go on...

Two links of a finnish builder who is making 1:4 King Tiger form steel! everything from scratch everything steel..

http://www.pienoismallit.net/galleria/malli_7324/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQo6lyEY1qc

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Posted: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 07:29 PM GMT+7
Mmmm-'Ground Pink Himilayan Rock Salt' he says in a Homer Simpson voice...
Dan