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British Quad Truck as anti-riot Veh in SG80s?
musicwerks
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Posted: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 12:54 AM UTC
Dear friends,

I grew up in Singapore as a kid back in the 70s-80s, I remembered seeing the "red-trucks" of the Singapore Police anti-riot squds.

I vaguely recalling seeing the old British Quad Trucks (Tamiya 35045) used in the fleet of "red trucks" as command vehicles.

a) Does anyone have any picture of these vehicles? (plans are most welcomed too)

b) Will the Tamiya 35045 be suitable for the conversion

Cheers
Musicwerks
BigfootV
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Posted: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 03:59 AM UTC
Hi Kiong,

According to research I've seen and in reading limited documents about this, Tamiya's kit is a Morris Quad not a Ford Quad, and yes some were converted into Riot cars.

Problem is, that they were used up till 1953 in Japan as riot control cars by Tokyo Metro P.D. and Osaka P.D.

Now having said that, Is it possiable that they were sold to Singapore? That I can't answer that for sure.
I'd think by this time more specialist vehicles would be on the market and more current like the V-100 or V-150 series cars for that peripose.

acav
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Posted: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 11:59 AM UTC

Quoted Text


According to research I've seen and in reading limited documents about this, Tamiya's kit is a Morris Quad not a Ford Quad, and yes some were converted into Riot cars.



Eh-oh...

Tamiya's kit ain't no Morris Quad - I believe it's a Ford CMP, totally different looking to the British Morris Commercial.

acav
BigfootV
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Posted: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 12:43 PM UTC
Hi Acav,

I'm going to have to stand my ground on my statement.

First, The CMP had a window that tilted in and up away from the roof, the Morris did not.

Second, The headlamps on the CMP were enclosed, the Morris Quad's were not.

Third, The doors are different, Morris has two, CMP has one on the right side like a bus. Morris doors are wider than the CMP's single door.

Fourth, The CMP had a spare tire on the rear roof, were the Morris did not.

Fifth, The Morris grill had two intakes on other side of the grill, as were the CMP did not.

And last but not least, I did do some googling before I wrote the kit review. I didn't trust the Tamiya info. so I went checking.

Plus I've been burned once on the Dodge build with the rear seat placement.

Soucre you ask my Friend. http://www.mapleleafup.org

highway70
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Posted: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 02:31 PM UTC
The Tamiya Quad is a Canadian Ford FGT Field Artillary Tractor. It has 1 door on each side

It has a CMP Cab No.12 "alligator hood"

There are two photos (page 250 and 251) in The Observer's Fighting Vehicles Directory World War II published in 1972.

The CMP's with enclosed headlamps have the CMP Cab No. 13 "reverse slope windscreen" A Chevrolet CGT on page 151 is an example. It has 2 doors on each side .

The old Peerless (now Italeri) 15 cwt Truck has the CMP No. 13 Cab.

Tthe British gun tractor that Tamaya model most closely resembles is the Guy Quad-Ant pictured on page 189 of the same publication. The Morris is pictured on page 188. The front axel on the Morris is set further back than on the CMP. On the CMP the grill is approimately even with the front fenders. The grill on the Morris is a foot or more in front of the fenders.


This site offers CD Rom of CMP factory photos and books on the Canidian military

http://www.servicepub.com/

acav
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Posted: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 10:14 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi Acav,

I'm going to have to stand my ground on my statement.

First, The CMP had a window that tilted in and up away from the roof, the Morris did not.

Second, The headlamps on the CMP were enclosed, the Morris Quad's were not.

Third, The doors are different, Morris has two, CMP has one on the right side like a bus. Morris doors are wider than the CMP's single door.

Fourth, The CMP had a spare tire on the rear roof, were the Morris did not.

Fifth, The Morris grill had two intakes on other side of the grill, as were the CMP did not.

And last but not least, I did do some googling before I wrote the kit review. I didn't trust the Tamiya info. so I went checking.

Plus I've been burned once on the Dodge build with the rear seat placement.

Soucre you ask my Friend. http://www.mapleleafup.org




Your ground is a swamp, amigo, and very shaky...

This...

is the Tamiya 'Quad' - this kit came out in the 1970s, I should know I was there.

This

is the Morris Commercial C8 Mk2 Quad - this vehicle has never been kitted in plastic and in 1/35th scale by any manufacturer, TTBOMK

Source?
My memory, my infallible capacity for trivia and forty some years of soaking up the smell of old military junk.

Sorry about that - take a chill pill and have a couple of these


acav out
musicwerks
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Posted: Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 01:53 AM UTC
Hi guys,

Ok ok, its a vintage tamiya kit....sorry I sparked off so much confusion

err...anyone knows more about the anti riot truck?

Musicwerks
AlanL
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Posted: Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 06:59 AM UTC
Hi Kiong,

Sorry can't help on the Signapore Riot Truck.

Hi Brian,

Sorry to disagree, although the Tamiya Kit is far from perfect it is A Ford Field Artillery Tractor. They made 2 versions, one on run flat tyres and one on normal

RFT



Normal with a Spare



This is the Italeri Chevrolet 15cwt Gun Tractor



as you can see from acav's pic neither are the Morris, which is a different beast.

BTW acav, thanks for the pic.

Al
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Posted: Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 07:09 AM UTC
For the (pretty) definitive word on THE MORRIS Quad, take a look at this book by Capricorn:

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=3920

No-one mention the General Motors (Canada) Quad?

I'd ALSO like to hear more about these conversions...
BigfootV
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Posted: Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 01:47 PM UTC
All right, I give. I know when I'm beat.
I questioned the info. because everything pointed in a different direction than what was given.

First was the lack of the "Ford" trademark logo. That would of been a dead giveaway.

Second, the front was in question as Highway 70 pointed out in his reply. I was basing my research and reply on the Mk I not the Mk II.

Since this has come up I'll ask c5flies to remove my questioning of the Tamiya research form the kit review.

Thx for setting things right guys.


AlanL
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Posted: Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 08:05 PM UTC
Hi Brian,

No worries,

Have a look at Jim's post on page 7 here:

http://armorama.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=128680&page=7

It might be of interest!

Al
BigfootV
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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:51 PM UTC
Hi Alan,

I saw that when it was first posted on the Morris Ref. Book, and just my luck it was after I wrote the kit review.

I'm looking at ordering it here after the taxes come back.

AlanL
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Posted: Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 05:12 AM UTC

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Hi Alan,

I saw that when it was first posted on the Morris Ref. Book, and just my luck it was after I wrote the kit review.

I'm looking at ordering it here after the taxes come back.





- Ah yes, taking out a loan

Al
BigfootV
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Posted: Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 02:26 PM UTC
Hi Alan,

Loan, we don't need no stinkin' loan.



BTW, I'm going to start the build blog on the Quad w/ the 25 pdr. soon. Any pointers?? Thx.
scout2
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Posted: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 01:57 AM UTC
See my photo (Corgi Toys Riot-Police Car) http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/500/thumbs/5171.jpg
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Posted: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 02:39 AM UTC

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See my photo (Corgi Toys Riot-Police Car) http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/500/thumbs/5171.jpg
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Hi Scout
I've just found another bigger picture (the scale is 1/44) :

More pics here : http://nigelsworld.homeip.net/diecast/detail.php?ID=1994

Frenchy