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Bought new BTR-50 kit and BTR-50 conversion!
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2009 - 04:20 PM UTC
Hi all,

I just bought today (I guess I'm the first customer in the world to have them as they will be on sale at Euromilitaire tomorrow saturday) the new Best Value Models kit "BTR-50 Tsahal 1970" reference number 35070. It's a complete package with all the needed parts from a Trumpeter Polish PT-76 plus resin parts and some PE for the machine gun mounts (the PE is actually recycled from an Azimut IDF Centurion conversion set).

The conversion is sold under the Azimut brand and has resin parts only, "BTR-50 PK" conversion, reference 35112.

I don't remember exact prices as I bought other stuff at the same time but I think the conversion is around 45 Euros and the BVM kit is around 49 Euros.

Both look extremely good, clean, sharp, detailed resin castings. I guess the Best Value Models kit is, as the name of the brand implies, best value as for the conversion you'll have to get a Trumpeter PT-76 base kit separately (the Polish version is recommended).

Those two references are not on the Azimut website yet, I think they will be sometimes next week.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2009 - 11:31 PM UTC
BTR-50PK in tooling
C_JACQUEMONT
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Posted: Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 02:52 AM UTC
Well, I want those know and they are available.

I'll probably buy several of the Trumpeter ones though as I have specialized conversions in mind. When they are actually out, in 2010, 2011, 2012 perhaps?

Cheers,

Christophe

PS : Still waiting for the Trumpeter BMP-3s several years after they were announced...
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Posted: Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 02:55 AM UTC

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PS : Still waiting for the Trumpeter BMP-3s several years after they were announced...



Make that
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Posted: Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 06:51 AM UTC

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PS : Still waiting for the Trumpeter BMP-3s several years after they were announced...

soon
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Posted: Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 08:03 AM UTC
Christophe: Can you share any pictures? An IDF version sounds really nice.

Gaoyue: Same question for you. Do yo have a picture or two to share?

Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 08:30 AM UTC

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Christophe: Can you share any pictures? An IDF version sounds really nice.

Gaoyue: Same question for you. Do yo have a picture or two to share?

Cheers,
/E



Sure. Here is the Best Value Model package :









Cheers,

Christophe

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Posted: Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 08:49 AM UTC
And that is the Azimut conversion :







Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 11:10 AM UTC
The conversion looks fine! I hope to see a finished model soon.

Gaoyue i hope you offer a BTR-50PU too! Maybe a BTR-50PA with interior?
At the moment i have to do with my other kits but when would the BTR-50s be availble?
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Posted: Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 01:28 PM UTC
Photos please. Photos!
And how about BTR-50PU command & signal vehicle?

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BTR-50PK in tooling

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Posted: Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 06:18 PM UTC
WOW! I have bought alot of the BVM stuff and I have been pretty happy with it. These vehicles were involved in the raid on the Suez Canal in 1969. Great stuff Trumpeter!
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Posted: Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 04:05 AM UTC
Hi Christophe
Do you get any interior for the IDF version.
Anyone know what the interior looks like?
They were used in various raids in the late 60s early 70s and in the 73 war not sure how long after that they were used.
Peter
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Posted: Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 08:16 AM UTC
Thanks Christophe.
Appreciated!

/E
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Posted: Monday, September 21, 2009 - 03:21 PM UTC

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BTR-50PK in tooling



Any idea when its will be released?
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Posted: Monday, September 21, 2009 - 03:57 PM UTC

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BTR-50PK in tooling



Any idea when its will be released?



I think, next year.
All what I saw until now seems to be scheduled for a next year release.

greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 10:39 AM UTC
Hi all,

I also bought the new BTR-50PK conversion with the Trumpeter Polish PT-76B (kit 382) . It's a bit of a mixed bag, the conversion is very nice but the PT-76B kit has a big error. The Trumpeter PT-76B's (kit 381 and 382) have the raised hull but the nose of this Trumpeter kit is WRONG for the PT-76B (which should be 35 degrees). The Trumpeter PT-76B kits have a 45 degree nose which is correct for all earlier PT-76 and BTR-50 versions with the lower hull but NOT for the PT-76B and later versions of the BTR-50PK. Later versions of the BTR-50PK have the raised hull so also the nose of the vehicle is changed to 35 degrees.

So you can only build a correct EARLY BTR-50 but you have to use Trumpeter kit 379 or Trumpeter kit 380 which are the earlier versions. But then again you can only build an early BTR-50PK used by Indonesia for instance. All Yugoslav BTR-50's I have seen have a raised hull and a 35 degree nose. If you want to build a late BTR-50 you have to use Trumpeter kit 381 or Trumpeter kit 382 but you have to build a new 35 degree nose.

It's a shame that Trumpeter messed up with the PT-76B because it's a great vehicle to model but for me the 35 degree nose error is unacceptable. Let's hope they will not make the same mistake on the BTR-50 series. So I highly recommend the Tankograd book (to Trumpeter ) on the PT-76B for more information.

I hope I did not spoiled your day.

Alex

PS with the 35 of 45 degree nose I mean the vertical inclination of the lower front plate.
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Posted: Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 12:47 PM UTC
Alex,

Thanks for pointing out the issues with the front. I already have the AEF conversion but didn't think the front looked like the ones I could see in some pictures. Now I know why.

Speeking of PT-76 family: have you ever seen a PT-76 with the type of exhaust/intake (and surrounding panel configuration) that the Trumpeter Model 1951 have?

Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 02:31 AM UTC
Hi,

First of all with the 35 of 45 degree nose I mean the vertical inclination of the lower front plate. In the West we think if a PT-76 has a muzzle brake it's a B version. From a Russian point of view this is not true. You really should read the book by Tankograd.

The B versions from Trumpeter are NOT correct. There is a version of the PT-76 with a muzzle brake and 45 degree nose but they are earlier models and the Russians do not designate them as B but we in the West do. This version was made by Eastern Express. The PT-76 seems like an easy family but it isn't. So Trumpeter can do two things to correct:

1: Fix the the vertical inclination of the lower front plate from 45 to 35 to make a correct PT-76B

2: Lower the hull to make an earlier version of the PT-76 (which was used by Egypt in 1967 for instance)

Alex
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 06:53 AM UTC
Hi Jeff,


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It can only be used to do a very early build BTR50 because of the engine deck.



Well, that's what I have spent some time trying to figure out. Until someone can confirm that there ever where a PT-76/BTR-50 with the type of exhaust/intake and surrounding panel configuration (quoting myself ) of the Trumpeter 380 kit, I'm led to belive that one have to do some scratch work if one wants to build an early PT-76/BTR-50.

My point is that this area should have looked like this (cover between intake and exhaust is missing aswell as protectiv neting over exhaust, but it was the best pic I could find):
http://www.thetankmaster.com/images/AFV/chita/pt-76/pt-76-24.jpg

This is as far as I have come in my own research. I would be interested to hear if someone else agree/disagree.

Regarding the AEF kit: I knew I took a risk ordering that conversion. However, I AM a bit amazed that they didn't even take the few extra minutes to line up the Trumpeter parts before they casted it! But I guess they have a (bad) rep to live up to.

/E
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Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:41 AM UTC
Hi guys I come lately in the conversation, but i have the same doubts

I began the kit construction. Here the pic with the original and revisited nose :



Did you have any plans or document to prouve these affirmations ? Actually, the only available plans from wikipedia denote a 45° hull.

TIA
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Posted: Saturday, September 18, 2010 - 10:51 AM UTC

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Hi guys
I began the kit construction



any progress with this model?