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Subject: Matchbox Campaign Proposal
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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2009 - 11:44 AM UTC

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Np Jan.
I think IŽll skip those original Matchbox kits and pick one of those re-released kits. Just donŽt know which. Btw, I like that first(?) version for banner, what you have made, Jan.



Kimmo, just pick whatever kit is available and catches your fancy. Thanks to Sabot mentioning the Challenger I looked through my stash and found two. I opened one box and it looks like it might be "Challenge" to build. There is more flash on it than I remember on previous Matchbox builds. Must have been a late and used mould. The hull is also somewhat warped so I'll see how the other one looks .

I'm glad that you like the original banner for the campaign. I haven't been able to think up anything better to this point.

Then there is the issue of the ribbon. Here's a couple of simple concepts that I put together. Comments and suggestions are welcome and encouraged.





Man, these things are tiny!

Cheers,
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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2009 - 12:15 PM UTC

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Count me in please, these kits are where i started in the hobby really! Would probably do the M24 Chaffee in the Revell re-boxing.

Andrew



Welcome Andrew, your entrance has been noted and your Callsign added to the list. We now have an even Bakers Dozen. From a simple and at first not too serious suggestion, this topic has taken on a momentum and life of it's own. To add to the furore (• archaic a wave of enthusiastic admiration; a craze.). let me post some further teasers. Please don't be too harsh in your criticism as these little tykes date from the eighties.





The Wespe and Chaffee are waiting for a "Tank Overhaul" and the Jeep (and it's accompanying truck) are waiting to be finished.

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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2009 - 12:21 PM UTC
Hi All, Though I'm not what you call a regular here but I would like to get in on this.
I will do an M-7 maybe something from the other side.... If you guys will let me!
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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2009 - 01:03 PM UTC

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Hi All, Though I'm not what you call a regular here but I would like to get in on this.
I will do an M-7 maybe something from the other side.... If you guys will let me!



Welcome tommytanker and make yourself at home. We will be submitting the the actual request for a campaign shortly but in the mean time I have added your callsign to the list. That makes 14 interested parties in quite a short time. My LHS didn't carry a huge variety of the Matchbox kits and I always wanted to do an M-7 or M40.

Thanks for your interest,
tread_geek

BTW, here is the current list of interested parties:

sabredog
tornado64
casualmodeler
Andronicus
Sabot
Dangeroo
docdios
tread_geek
Maxiplus
Snowhand
madmax5510
firstcircle
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tommytanker

Based on comments by those above I have revised the campaign details as follows:

Operational Overview

Jan. 15/10-May 15/10

More than anything this campaign is a nostalgic group build centring on the armour kits of the former Matchbox manufacturer. Many modellers remember these kits from their past with affection and this campaign is a chance to relive part of that history. Your mission is to start and complete a build of either an original Matchbox kit or the Revell re-release of it.

Rules and Regs

1. Either an original Matchbox kit or a Revell re-release of a former Matchbox kit are permissible. Construction may begin on or after the launch date and not prior. If in doubt, please ask in the appropriate forum.

2. Out of box (OOB) builds are encouraged. Deviations from OOB builds should be limited and represent minimal variation from the original.

3. The original bases for these kits must appear with the completed model. Minor embellishments of the bases such as foliage, minor additional terrain features, grasses or soil/dirt are permissible.

4. The modeller is permitted to make minor corrections or additions to enhance the model. These can include but are not limited to clear windshields/windows, antennas, resizing of small oversized pieces (ie-machinegun barrels, grab handles) and external stowage. If in doubt, ask.

5. Use of original decals is encouraged but not mandatory.

6. Enjoy this blast from the past and above all HAVE FUN.

Contest Element

Entrants that complete their build and submit at least one photo of the completed model will be awarded the prestigious campaign ribbon. Multiple submissions are welcomed but only one ribbon per entrant will be awarded on completion of the campaign requirements.


If there are no objections I'll leave this for a day and then submit an actual campaign request. When the request has been approved I'll let you all know in this thread and we can all officially sign on.

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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2009 - 06:24 PM UTC
What? A Matchbox Campaign! I'm in . . . I also like the idea of a follow on Airfix Campaign. The build timeframe is just right for me (with my slow build rate).

-Eddy
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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2009 - 07:37 PM UTC
This is as good an excuse as any to dig out one of these old jewels in the stash - so count me in!
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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2009 - 08:12 PM UTC
Hello Jan,

Count me in for this one.....
It will be a delight building one of these old kits (I've almost build them all in my younger years....I still have them in a box somewhere actually)
Not sure which I'm going to build by the way.... depends on what the LHS has to offer.

Greetings

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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2009 - 09:48 PM UTC
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I opened one box and it looks like it might be "Challenge" to build. There is more flash on it than I remember on previous Matchbox builds. Must have been a late and used mould. The hull is also somewhat warped so I'll see how the other one looks .

Jan




some latter matchbox kits were sourced from other companies and they were nowhere near the good quality of the genuine matchbox offerings

i recently built the hienkel he 70 ( a winged thing ) from matchboxes latter releases and the quality was bloody awfull ( obviously a baught in kit ) rather than in house as everything was totaly difrent to matchboxes style


so a question may be are the latter allowed they are after all in matchbox packaging and sold as such

or do we stick to the original genuine range typed out for people joining the build to pick from !!
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 12:08 AM UTC
Hello

I'm new here, I've only just found this site.

May I join the group build ?

I made many of these models back in the late 70s & early 80s, so I'm looking forward to revisiting one of these kits. I will buy one of the Revell re-releases.

cheers
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 01:12 AM UTC

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What? A Matchbox Campaign! I'm in . . . I also like the idea of a follow on Airfix Campaign. The build timeframe is just right for me (with my slow build rate).

-Eddy



I am definitely interested in a follow up Airfix (old ones, not their latest Heller/Airfix releases) campaign.

I imagine the kits that have a lot of flash may be from the time when they were moved from England and made in Poland. Those often had the MADE IN ENGLAND mold on the sprue marked out and had a sticker covering the MADE IN ENGLAND marking on the box.

While I really want to stick to an original issue, I recall the decals were not very good back in the day. It may be wiser to go for a Revell reissue.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 04:12 AM UTC
WOW...this thread is reminding me of a runaway train. Braille, hincmar, Smartin, and Korpse, your call signs have been added to the list. Welcome people.


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so a question may be are the latter allowed they are after all in matchbox packaging and sold as such

or do we stick to the original genuine range typed out for people joining the build to pick from !!



You can find the qualifying Revell kits listed with their product numbers on the first page of this thread. From reading back through the previous postings it seems fairly evident that the majority want to keep this campaign pure. As Sabot mentioned, the 1/72 kits while packaged under the Matchbox name are not truly pure in their origins. The kits listed below are the original range of Matchbox offerings and are all 1/76 scale.

Original Matchbox Kits

Kit PK71 - Sherman Firefly
Kit PK72 - A34 Comet
Kit PK73 - Panther Ausf. G
Kit PK74 - Pz. III Ausf. L
Kit PK75 - Humber MK-III
Kit PK76 - SdKfz. 234/2 Puma
Kit PK77 - SdKfz. 124 Wespe
Kit PK78 - M16 Halftrack
Kit PK79 - M24 Chaffee
Kit PK80 - Jagdpanther
Kit PK81 - Panzer II Ausf. F
Kit PK82 - Soviet T-34
Kit PK83 - SdKfz. 251/1 Hanomag
Kit PK84 - Stuart MKIII
Kit PK85 - SdKfz. 232 Radio Car
Kit PK86 - M-40 155mm Gun
Kit PK87 - Panzer IV/70
Kit PK88 - Krupp Protz Kfz. 69
Kit PK89 - M7 Priest HMC 105mm

Multipacks

Kit PK171 - SdKfz.11, Pak40, BMW
Kit PK172 - Morris C8 MK-II & 17pnd Gun, Willys Jeep
Kit PK173 - LRGD 30cwt Chevrolet and Willys Jeep
Kit PK174 - Diamond "T" Prime Mover and Rodger Tanktrailer
Kit PK175 - Monty's Caravan and daimler MKII Scoutcar
Kit PK176 - CHAR B1 bis and Renault FT17
Kit PK177 - Churchill Avre
Kit PK178 - Challenger Tank


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I imagine the kits that have a lot of flash may be from the time when they were moved from England and made in Poland. Those often had the MADE IN ENGLAND mold on the sprue marked out and had a sticker covering the MADE IN ENGLAND marking on the box.

While I really want to stick to an original issue, I recall the decals were not very good back in the day. It may be wiser to go for a Revell reissue.



The lower hull on the my Challenger is stamped "Matchbox Int Ltd" and all the sprues have Made in England on them. The second box that I opened doesn't appear to be quite as bad for flash as the first and that hull bottom is straight.

For the Armorama Campaign administrators here is the list of those that have "signed on":

sabredog
tornado64
casualmodeler
Andronicus
Sabot
Dangeroo
docdios
tread_geek
Maxiplus
Snowhand
madmax5510
firstcircle
CMOT70
tommytanker
Braille
hincmar
Smartin
Korpse

As the next step in getting this campaign legitimized I will post a proposal for it in the Campaign Forum. If I haven't read any objections to what has been discussed in this thread by about 22:00 GMT today I'll submit the actual request. If you have expressed your desire to be included in this campaign there is no need to repost in the Campaign Forum.

Regards,
Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 04:39 AM UTC
Jan, I can fit in with the regs. These two are I think totally unstarted:
# PK-89 M7 Priest HMC
# PK-174 M19 Tank Transporter

The Protz had been started already, but now is well underway again as you saw, I think the Jagd L/70 already has its wheels on (so is almost complete then . . . )

There may be others, I'll have to check out the big boxes they're all in.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 04:58 AM UTC

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Jan, I can fit in with the regs. These two are I think totally unstarted:
# PK-89 M7 Priest HMC
# PK-174 M19 Tank Transporter
....
There may be others, I'll have to check out the big boxes they're all in.



That's great, Matthew. What you choose is totally up to you and you have three months to decide (providing the time frame is approved). The Priest is another kit that I always wanted to build but could never find it in my area. My options are limited to what I have in my stash, two Challengers or the Morris truck mutipack. I've checked hobby stores within a fifty mile radius and none have any Revell 1/76 in stock.

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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 05:12 AM UTC
To All,
I would be interested in joining the Matchbox campaign. I built a number of these as a kid and always enjoyed them and I still have a few in the 'stash'. What is entailed by joining a campaign, having never done so before?

Thanks,
Stephen
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 06:03 AM UTC

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I would be interested in joining the Matchbox campaign. I built a number of these as a kid and always enjoyed them and I still have a few in the 'stash'. What is entailed by joining a campaign, having never done so before?

Thanks,
Stephen



Greetings Stephen. You have just taken the first step by posting in this thread. I've added your callsign to the "official" campaign proposal in the Campaign Forum. As I state above I will make the official request for this campaign later today. After that it's a wait and see situation until the Campaign authorities officially authorize our campaign. Once they have done that there will be an official sign up page created by them where all interested parties go to and click on a button to "enlist." Once the campaign officially starts the Armorama staff will create an official thread where we can post progress pictures and comments and a gallery for completed builds. Everyone posting a completed picture will receive an award ribbon that will grace their profile page. If you have any further questions feel free to ask either in this thread or the Campaign Proposal thread in the Campaign Forums.

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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 10:26 AM UTC
As promised and for all those that expressed interest in this campaign, I have now formally sent in the request. I am informed by the process that it may take two weeks before we might hear further. Everyone keep their fingers crossed. I'll inform you as soon as I hear anything.

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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 04:02 PM UTC
Back from a short holiday. Sounds like this is gaining momentum whilst I was away!
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 04:10 PM UTC
Matchbox 1:72 T-80BV



I am unsure to origin but I do have doubts it is truly a Matchbox "origin" kit!

Here is an alternative to the earlier banner. I am not sure of banner size requirements though, but could naturally get this modified to be worded the right way and for size (done by a graphics artist friend)



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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 08:24 AM UTC

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Matchbox 1:72 T-80BV
I am unsure to origin but I do have doubts it is truly a Matchbox "origin" kit!



Mike, IIRC theŽT-80's and a couple of other modern tanks were originally Monogram and/or Revell. THe consensus of the group was that these kits weren't truly "original" and should not be included in the campaign.


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Here is an alternative to the earlier banner. I am not sure of banner size requirements though, but could naturally get this modified to be worded the right way and for size (done by a graphics artist friend)






Any and all submissions for a banner or the ribbon are appreciated. However, there are definite size restrictions here at Kitmaker. Images should be formatted to 468 pixels wide by 60 pixels tall. Images will be FORCED to this size. File size should not exceed 30kb (30,000 bytes). Please do not link to images hosted on this site. For the award ribbons the maximum size is 50 pixels wide and 20 pixels high.

Cheers,
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Posted: Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 10:42 AM UTC
May I join the fun?

I quite fancy the Comet or the Priest
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Posted: Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 04:08 PM UTC

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some latter matchbox kits were sourced from other companies and they were nowhere near the good quality of the genuine matchbox offerings

i recently built the hienkel he 70 ( a winged thing ) from matchboxes latter releases and the quality was bloody awfull ( obviously a baught in kit ) rather than in house as everything was totaly difrent to matchboxes style

so a question may be are the latter allowed they are after all in matchbox packaging and sold as such

or do we stick to the original genuine range typed out for people joining the build to pick from !!



The He70 is actually an original Matchbox kit btw

The GB allows for only ORIGINAL Matchbox kits which have of late been reboxed by Revell.

http://www.matchboxkits.org/index.php?cPath=81_83

The Revell boxes for the current re-releases will be marked 1:76. although the multipacks that Revell did sometime back (soldiers plus armour) were erroneously marked 1:72

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Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 07:52 AM UTC

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May I join the fun?

I quite fancy the Comet or the Priest



As an interested party I have added your callsign to the official proposal thread in the Campaign Forum. You have the honour of being the twentieth person to express interest in this campaign. That's quite a number of people expressing interest prior to official sanctioning and our thanks for your interest. I have yet to receive any official word from the administrators about this campaign. When this campaign receives official blessing I will post the URL of the official sign up page both in this thread and in the Campaign Forums.

Cheers,
Jan

Edit: Thought that I'd throw in another teaser. Here's the Matchbox Chaffee after a bit of exposure to some "Tank Overhaul." Machineguns are drilled out and prelininary weathering started. As you can see I'm caught up in this Matchbox Nostalgia thing.

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Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 09:34 AM UTC

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some latter matchbox kits were sourced from other companies and they were nowhere near the good quality of the genuine matchbox offerings

i recently built the hienkel he 70 ( a winged thing ) from matchboxes latter releases and the quality was bloody awfull ( obviously a baught in kit ) rather than in house as everything was totaly difrent to matchboxes style

so a question may be are the latter allowed they are after all in matchbox packaging and sold as such

or do we stick to the original genuine range typed out for people joining the build to pick from !!



The He70 is actually an original Matchbox kit btw




the heinkel he 70 was released at the same time as the challenger ( 1988 ) long after the 1982 buy out by hong kongs universal toys headed by david yeh

whilst other kits released after the 82 deadline may have been genuine such as the bridge layer and 2 french tank set the early dates point to late matchbox developments

the challenger and he 70s terrible quality in comparison to genuine kits point to out shipping

revell aquired the rights in 91 for ten years and in 2001 took over ownership
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Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 11:58 AM UTC

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the heinkel he 70 was released at the same time as the challenger ( 1988 ) long after the 1982 buy out by hong kongs universal toys headed by david yeh

whilst other kits released after the 82 deadline may have been genuine such as the bridge layer and 2 french tank set the early dates point to late matchbox developments

the challenger and he 70s terrible quality in comparison to genuine kits point to out shipping

revell aquired the rights in 91 for ten years and in 2001 took over ownership



Another excellent website to have a browse over.

http://gregers.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1376

It is worth noting just how many Matchbox AFV kits were original and how many were added to the Matchbox label by Revell after the takeover. The number difference is quite noticeable. This did happen with aircraft kits as well

Personally, I would take the original Matchbox armour list and consider that the baseline for our Campaign.

I have just finished moderating Matchbox Madness 2009 on ARC. This is a group build that has been run now around 4 times and is excellent fun, though mainly for Matchbox aircraft kits.

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Posted: Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 07:59 AM UTC

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Another excellent website to have a browse over.

http://gregers.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1376

It is worth noting just how many Matchbox AFV kits were original and how many were added to the Matchbox label by Revell after the takeover. The number difference is quite noticeable. This did happen with aircraft kits as well

Personally, I would take the original Matchbox armour list and consider that the baseline for our Campaign.
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Mike, I checked out the site above and compared the 1/76 AFV's they list to the lists we've created and they pretty well match. The one exception is that in our list we have the PK-178 Challenger as an original and they don't seem to list it at all. Perhaps we should post a combined Matchbox original and re-release list for kits that qualify for this campaign. The lists are in this thread but are located at different points and on different pages.

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Posted: Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 12:55 PM UTC
Below is the definitive Matchbox listing. The first list is the original kits list as released by Matchbox with the comparative Revell re-releases listed below. As long as the Revell release equates with the original PK series, it is eligible for the campaign.

1/76 AFV's

PK-71 Sherman Firefly
PK-72 A-34 Comet
PK-73 Panther Ausf-G
PK-74 Panzer Ausf-L
PK-75 Humber Armoured Car
PK-76 SdKfz234/2 Puma
PK-77 SdKfz124 Wespe
PK-78 M16 Halftrack
PK-79 M24 Chafee
PK-80 JagdPanther
PK-81 Panzer II Ausf-F
PK-82 Russian T.34
PK-83 SdKfz251/1 Hanomag
PK-84 Honey Stuart
PK-85 SdKfz232 Radio Car
PK-86 M-40 155mm Gun
PK-87 Panzer IVL/70
PK-88 Krupp Protz Kfz69 with 3.7 Anti-Tank Gun
PK-89 105mm HMC "Priest"
PK-171 SdKfz11/7.5cm Pak40/BMW R75
PK-172 Morris C8 Mk.II/17pdr Gun/Willys Jeep
PK-173 Long Range Desert Group 30cwt Chevrolet and Jeep
PK-174 M19 45 ton Tank Transporter Vehicle
PK-175 Montys Caravan/Daimler Mk.II Scout Car
PK-176 Char B1 bis/Renault FT.17
PK-177 Churchill Bridgelayer
PK-178 Challenger MBT

Later boxings by Revell Germany, under the Matchbox name. Note that Revell simply used the kit number of the original Matchbox kit boxing, replacing the PK with 40.

Those in italics are not original Matchbox kits and not eligible as entries for for the Campaign;


40071 Sherman Firefly
40072 A-34 Mk.1 Comet
40073 PzKw Aus.G Panther
40074 PzKfpw 111 Ausf-L Panzer
40075 Humber Scout Car Mk.11
40076 SdKfz234/2 Puma
40077 SdKfz 124 Wespe
40078 U.S. M-16 Half Track
40079 M-24 Chaffee
40080 Jagd Panther
40081 Panzer 11 Ausf-F
40082 Soviet T.34/76c
40083 SdKfz 251/1 Hanomag
40084 M3/A1 Stuart Honey
40085 SdKfz 232 Radio Car
40086 G.M.C. M-40 SPG
40087 Panzer Jaeger IV L/70
40088 Krupp Protz Kfz.69 + A.T.G.
40171 SdKfz 11+PAK40+BMW R.75
40172 Morris C.8 Mk.11+17pdr.+Jeep
40173 LRDG 30cwt Chevrolet/Willys Jeep
40174 M-20 Diamond"T"+M-9 L/Loader
40175 Leyland Retriever + Daimler S/car
40176 Char B.1bis + Renault FT.17
40177 Churchill A.V.R.E.Bridge layer
40178 Challenger MBT
40179 M-1 Abrams
40180 Sturmgeschutz IV Assault Gun
40181 Sherman M4A1 (76mmGun)
40182 Leopard 2A4 MBT
40183 T-80B Soviet Main Battle Tank
40711 M-109G Self-Propelled Gun
40990 M-47 Patton Tank
40991 M-41 Walker Tank

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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 01:24 AM UTC
Don't forget to add the handful of Revell combo packs that came with Matchbox kits and a set of Revell vinyl figures. You could also try to edit your very first post (or one of yours on the first page) and add this information to it. That way it won't be buried in page 3 of 20 as this post gets longer.
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 02:37 AM UTC
That is OK. As long as the multipack AFV's is one of the Matchbox originals all should be good.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 08:12 AM UTC
Still no word from the Campaign authorities on where we stand. I've worked up another banner and as always, any feedback is both welcome and encouraged.



I noticed in a different campaign thread that they are awarding different ribbons depending on how many kits are completed and pictures posted in the official gallery. Seeing that these Matchbox kits aren't that complicated it's quite possible that some might build more than one. Should we emulate this idea for our campaign?

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Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 07:34 AM UTC
I'd be interested in this campaign. I've found an original Matchbox Challenger PK178 in a discount bin. I take it that this kit is legal or qualifies? The box was pretty beat up and the lower hull looks a bit warped but I think that even I should be able to put it together.

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