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CyberHobby: Flak Panther in 1/35th
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 08:41 PM UTC
[b[Cyber Hobby[/b] have just announced their latest 1/35th scale release - 6626 - Flak Panther Ausf.D. Now, i''m not sure this was ever fielded or kept on the drawing-board... Images of this interesting new model can be seen:



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If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!

Damraska
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 09:21 PM UTC
According to Combat History of Schwere Panzerjager Abteilung 653 by Munch, page 320 (hardcover), the battalion rebuilt a single Bergepanther with a 20mm quadruple anti-aircraft gun. Unit reports state as much. To my knowledge, no picture of this vehicle with the flak gun exists. A picture of the vehicle pre flak gun appears on page 381.

The unit also built a T34 mounting a 20mm quadruple anti-aircraft gun. Pictures of that beast do exist, and it was the subject of an earlier Cyber Hobby release.

I really look forward to this kit as Panthers and Heavy Tank Destroyer Battalion 653 are special interests of mine. This release combines both.

-Doug
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 10:00 PM UTC
it was really there, however no pic till today was found

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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 10:13 PM UTC
It seems even if only one was ever built, they'll do a kit of it. I don't care...I waaaaaaaant!
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 10:15 PM UTC
In AFV modeller magazine there was a two part feature of a bergpanther with a flak gun mounted on it.
The gun was of a single barrel type ( 20mm ) and the author had photo-graphic , or rather a picture of said vehicle.
I believe it was by Snaf Snyers , please correct me if I got his name wrong.
The model is amazing , by the way.
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 10:22 PM UTC
I think it was not the same Panther / Unit

wasn't the build the build based on vehicle which is seen from a window of a building far from the vehicle which is stationed on a square? BTW it's impossible to tell exactly what kind of flak or panther it is. It's too tiny.
Another point. I prefer CH release rare and unique vehicle like this one than for example the very recent Pz IIIL.... which ahs nothing more than the ordinary PZ III J DML kit....
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 11:32 PM UTC

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It seems even if only one was ever built, they'll do a kit of it. I don't care...I waaaaaaaant!



Ditto!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 12:04 AM UTC
I do have a picture of a converted Panther Ausf. D with a 3,7 cm FlaK on it. The photograph is taken out of a window and shows the FlaK-Panther on a square with citizens looking on.

The only real design for a Panther with a FlaK gun are those of the Coelian turrets. All other ideas are single field modifications.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 12:14 AM UTC
Well, thanks for the comments - I was getting confused between this and the Coelian turreted Panthers. About the latter, am I correct in thinking they never saw service?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 12:28 AM UTC

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Well, thanks for the comments - I was getting confused between this and the Coelian turreted Panthers. About the latter, am I correct in thinking they never saw service?



Very correct. A mock-up turret was built, and placed on a Panther-D, but that was as far as it got.

Both the Coelian, Super Coelian and the Pz IV Kügelblitz turret never got out of the design, prototype or 0-serien phase.

Thinking about Panther ideas, if Cyber Hobby ever run out of inspiration, they could pick up Spielberger's Panther und seine Abarten and be busy for decades!!
Damraska
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 06:54 AM UTC
This is the other Flak Panther mentioned above:



The Cyber Hobby kit represents a different vehicle. As Herbert states, both were field mods.

-Doug
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 10:07 AM UTC
Hello,

This cyber-hobby release actually looks really interesting. For some reason, the Flak 37 matted onto the Panther chassis seems to suit it. The T-34 flak panzer on the other hand looked ugly. This release does look sexy
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 10:25 AM UTC
I think it looks great too and I also think it's great that a manufacturer releases kits of one-off vehicles regularly. I'd still prefer Magic over DS tracks though (what are they thinking?)...
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 10:48 AM UTC

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I think it looks great too and I also think it's great that a manufacturer releases kits of one-off vehicles regularly. I'd still prefer Magic over DS tracks though (what are they thinking?)...



I agree on the DS tracks situation. It was a let-down when they included them in the Wittmann Tiger release; but I bought it anyways. Since CH kits cater to the hardcore hobbyist in mind, why would they include rubber band tracks? I know some people hate single-link tracks or indy tracks, but indy tracks give the most realism for natural sag.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 06:43 PM UTC

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I agree on the DS tracks situation. It was a let-down when they included them in the Wittmann Tiger release; but I bought it anyways. Since CH kits cater to the hardcore hobbyist in mind, why would they include rubber band tracks? I know some people hate single-link tracks or indy tracks, but indy tracks give the most realism for natural sag.



Yes! I can live with DS tracks on allied vehicles but you really need single link tracks for the axis stuff, even if they take a while to asseble. Even then, compared to other manufacturers it's easier to assemble Magic tracks cause they're already seperated from the sprues and require almost no clean up. It's what disappointed me about the recent DML release of the mid Stu.Pa.IV with Zimmerit. Looks awesome, has DS tracks -> haven't picked it up yet.
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Posted: Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 05:36 AM UTC
this i think is a very interesting subject and one that certainly floats my boat, and one that is on my 2010 shopping list for sure

cheers

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Posted: Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 11:32 AM UTC

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I agree on the DS tracks situation. It was a let-down when they included them in the Wittmann Tiger release; but I bought it anyways. Since CH kits cater to the hardcore hobbyist in mind, why would they include rubber band tracks? I know some people hate single-link tracks or indy tracks, but indy tracks give the most realism for natural sag.



Yes! I can live with DS tracks on allied vehicles but you really need single link tracks for the axis stuff, even if they take a while to asseble. Even then, compared to other manufacturers it's easier to assemble Magic tracks cause they're already seperated from the sprues and require almost no clean up. It's what disappointed me about the recent DML release of the mid Stu.Pa.IV with Zimmerit. Looks awesome, has DS tracks -> haven't picked it up yet.



And yet Dragon continues not to listen. I'll pass on this kit though it's an interesting one-off subject. However Cookie Sewell will be most pleased by the DS tracks. And no, I haven't picked up Stu.Pa.IV with Zimmerit either. The only kit that I have purchase with DS tracks was an Abrams but I would have used the AFV tracks though now I have the Bronco tracks.
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Posted: Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 05:51 AM UTC
The actual vehicle:

GermanBergPantherwithQuad20mm-1
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Posted: Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 05:57 AM UTC
To be honest, it looks suspicious. The driver looks like he's half the size of the others and for some reason I can see Hitler in his face.
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Posted: Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 06:11 AM UTC
If thatīs the real thing, I wonder why CH has made totally different flakturret for it? They havenīt made their homeworks?? That turret is exactly same as in T-34 version...
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Posted: Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 06:53 AM UTC

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If thatīs the real thing, I wonder why CH has made totally different flakturret for it? They havenīt made their homeworks?? That turret is exactly same as in T-34 version...



The turret being the same isn't THAT un-expected, it's the same unit, s.Pz.Jg.Abt. 653. The most unique unit one might say, they had the Porsche Tiger, this Panther D Flakvierling, the Panther D 3,7 cm flak gun, and the T-34 Flakvierling.

It also wouldn't be impossible to think the turret from the T-34 was moved to a Panther-D or the other way around when perhaps the vehicle was no longer servicable. Which, if true, would indicate T-34 to Panther-D transfer.
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Posted: Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 07:07 AM UTC

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The actual vehicle:

GermanBergPantherwithQuad20mm-1



Unfortunately, this is a very bad fake. The upper portions and crew were taken from a photo of the T34 Flakpanzer, appearing on page 395 of the Munch book (hardcover). I know I have seen the Panther on the bottom as well, but I cannot source the photo.

Update--This photo was used for the upper portions of the fake:



-Doug
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Posted: Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 07:37 AM UTC
Well,you beat me to it, I was searching for the T-34 Flakvierling picture and just found it, and indeed it is a fake.

Damn...
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Posted: Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 07:49 AM UTC

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Well,you beat me to it, I was searching for the T-34 Flakvierling picture and just found it, and indeed it is a fake.

Damn...



I know. It sucks. It would be so great to find a real picture of this thing. I read somewhere that there is a photo in which the Flakvierling Panther appears in the distance, but I have been through the 653 book again and again and cannot spot it.

-Doug