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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Posted: Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 01:02 PM GMT+7

OVM tool detailing going on, as well as spare tracks in resin.





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Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 - 04:33 PM GMT+7
WIP engine deck;

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Posted: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 09:59 AM GMT+7
Turret detailing complete, now on to the engine deck;



The Y-connector is Voyager Model, as per Gepack Kasten.
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2011 - 04:14 AM GMT+7
Hull assembled, detailing to go on;

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Posted: Friday, April 01, 2011 - 06:20 PM GMT+7
Hi Guys!

WIP Tiger 323. 96 MasterClub tracks per side, exhaust shrouds altered slightly, some PE on the upper hull & Voyager Model sPzAbt 503 Gepack Kasten on...a few bits to go onto the turret yet.










See you later!


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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 08:36 AM GMT+7
You may be able to use the mid version cyberhobby or if you want you could get the initail version and just add a few things, with the after-markert kit made by voyager to detail it up accurately, it really depends on how accurate you want it. I prefer to work up, remember alot of the crews preformed their maintenance in the field, so what may be in some may not be in others of the same tank. Mike Whitmann version is $ kit lots of parts, but the initial version is less $ but a good base to work from.
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 05:55 AM GMT+7
The later hatches on the hull bottom were introduced in May 1943 for the HL230 engine. The other visible sign of a HL230 is two holes in the adapter on the rear wall.

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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 04:46 AM GMT+7

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Probably the DAK or Wittman kits from Cyber Hobby would be closer. But, what is the build date of the proposed tiger?

David



Well,here we go:
I did a mistake,i mean the 502 Panzer Abteilung not the 503.
For me 2 Tanks are interesting, the "311" and "312" here are the pictures (all taken from AJ Press Tank Power Tiger 1 vol.1):
well..it seems like the dustfilters were removed by the crew from this tanks.
And here comes the problem: "Tank Power" shows the bottom view of an early H1,which is actually a E hull (late style hatches on the bottom). For example my early Tiger 1 in 1/48 from AFV Club uses the early type of bottom with 2 big round hatches like the initial Tigers them have. Here is the drawing from Tank Power:
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Well i´ve got the the early and the late hulls,plus some additional parts from the hybrid Tiger used by Fehrmann (dustfilter,smoke granates,middle type transmission housing etc). No problem there to mix it up for a 502PA model of summer 43, but which hull to take-initial or the late E ?
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 05:24 PM GMT+7
Probably the DAK or Wittman kits from Cyber Hobby would be closer. But, what is the build date of the proposed tiger?

David
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 03:47 PM GMT+7
Nice:)


Guys, one question:
Which hull from Dragon to use for a Tiger H of 503th in summer 1943?
The one from the initial kit or the late one? Its a late H with the dustfilter removed.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 04:43 AM GMT+7
Tiger 323 turret, work in progress;





The mantlet is TMD resin, the coaxial MG & gun RB Models, the rain shield a piece of PE fret cut to shape.

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Posted: Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 07:26 AM GMT+7
Road wheels, sprocket wheels & idler wheels on - sprockets upgraded with resin hubs. Front hull extensions modified with kit part from CH Fehrmann Tiger 1;



Thanks for looking!


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Posted: Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 08:34 AM GMT+7
Kicking off Tiger 323 of sPzAbt 503 I have altered the sprocket wheel hubs.

These are DML Tiger 1, initial (6252) sprocket wheels with central hub detailing removed using a Dremel tool and replaced with the 'later' dome-shaped sprocket hub cast in resin (thanks to Stuart) - the bolts aligned with spokes as per Tiger 323 reference pictures from Waldemar Trojca, Technical & Operational History Tiger 1942-1943 vol. 1, pp 162 & 188.



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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 12:39 PM GMT+7
Great! I thought I was going mad for a moment there (madder, actually).

So - the one with the bent track guards has a blanking plate - so 323 is a later Tiger (with straight side fenders) so by the law of averages would also have a blanking plate. Regards the crowbar I reckon it'll be a shorter one as the longer crowbar on the other tiger was stowed on the Glacis plate; why? ...because maybe it didn't fit on the upper hull? I reckon so.

So Tiger 323 has a blanking plate and a shorter crowbar. What do you think? Sounds about right for a later December 1942 version to me.


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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 11:11 AM GMT+7
Sorry, I have that the wrong way around; it's 321 that has the bent line, and 323 the straight.

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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 11:02 AM GMT+7
Hi David

A while ago you mentioned that Tiger 323 had one straight fender and one bent - for the life of me I can't discern a bent fender run on either side. I have looked & looked for a month or two now and am not entirely convinced that Tiger 323 had bent side fender runs on either side - can you let me know which publications show this feature clearly? If the fender run(s) are bent it dates Tiger 323 firmly in December 1942, doesn't it? The nature of the fender run is important as it dictates which hull sides I choose - either kit-bashed from a later DML Tiger or else upgraded with AM fender fixation points.

Thanks for your opinion & advice.


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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 09:01 AM GMT+7

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I guess that was a similiar Tiger of the same batch, or close to it




323 has the side fenders in a bent line, and 321 has them in a straight line, so they're not exactly the same. They both have holders for a spade on the glacis plate. They both had S-mine fixing points. I will look into the cable holders issue.

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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 03:14 AM GMT+7
Looking at Tiger 321 of sPzAbt 503 - I guess that was a similiar Tiger of the same batch, or close to it - this has a blanking plate stowed and a long crowbar held in place on the Glacis plate. I note 313 has the shorter crowbar & no blanking plate. Looking at the features of 323 I think it might have been a transition between the two; look at the fixing points for the tow eyes on the upper hull of 321 & 313 - they are different (I presume because of S-mine fixing points, which I think 321 had, but no S-mines like 323).

Food for thought.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 02:55 PM GMT+7
I don't know, is the answer. The blanking plate appears just about the time this tank is built (December 1942).

David
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Posted: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 12:49 PM GMT+7
Progress so far;



I am just trying to refine the final detail on Tiger 323 of sPzAbt 503; would it have had the longer crowbar and the rectangular blanking plate stowed on the upper left hull roof in this configuration. Any ideas?

Thanks in anticipation if you do...


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Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 - 06:36 PM GMT+7
Hi David; thanks for that reassurance. I was worried I had goofed.

So here it is - October 1942's Tiger 1 - Fgst 250014 in the raw;



Next up Tiger 323 of sPzAbt 503 - I have worked out this is an interim December 1942-January 1943 build (if you have any other ideas, please let me know).

Features I have ID'd so far are thus;

Early tracks
Vertically applied crank starter plate of the early style
No rear plate mounted tool box, instead the Tiger has stowage for Jerry cans
on the upper left aspect of the rear plate
Broken jack handle retention clip
Early-style rear frame-mounted non-hinged mudguards
A glacis plate mounted long-handled shovel
Standard fold-up front and rear mudguards
Standard side fenders (I think both sides seem straight to me)
Driver’s KFF2 binocular vision ports above the armoured Klappe
Hull mounted twin Bosch light hubs (no lights present)
S-mine launching mounts present, but no S-mines
Engine hatch blanking plate deployed on left upper hull roof
Presence of Feifel mounting apparatus, but no Feifel
Early-style idler wheel
Early-style sprocket wheel; domed-hub with bolts aligned with the sprocket spokes
Turret-mounted smoke dischargers
Lack of Zimmerit
Squared-style tow shackles
Unit-specific 503-style Gepack Kasten
Rarer early-style reinforced mantlet with binocular sight and rain shield
Ridged cross-bar to stow ten spare tracks on the front plate
Bevelled turret escape hatch with standard early 3-bolted hinge
Symmetrical, parallel exhaust flappers, no exhaust shrouds & no locating points for shrouds
No engine hatch opening stoppers
Spare antenna tube located in the forward position
Tow eyes stowed forwards, but the retaining points moved slightly further back to accommodate S-mine location
Later (ridged) Feifel Y-connector tubing
15 ton jack (I have seen one later style jack on the same tank at a later date)
Rectangular casting marks on the armoured exhaust covers

I hope I got most of it...
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Posted: Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 09:53 AM GMT+7

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I can't represent the flower-shaped hubs noted in the photograph




No problem. You don't see that shape unless the cover goes missing.




See here .

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Posted: Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 05:58 AM GMT+7
Tow cables & apparatus on, along with most OVM tools. Just a little more to do now..



After this Tiger 323 of sPzAbt 503 as an additional build.
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Posted: Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 07:37 AM GMT+7
Tracks on & resin sprocket hubs on - running gear complete (at last!)



OVM tool detailing going on;



Thanks for looking!


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Posted: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 03:35 AM GMT+7
Thanks Dave; kind of you to say so.

Hi Will; I think the Voyager sets are extremely good. I am looking forward to using an Aber set, but think after this time I am probably branded with orange & black stripes...

Cheers!


Bill