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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Tiger Evolution
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Posted: Monday, October 25, 2010 - 06:08 AM GMT+7
It's December 1942 because there are no welded mounts for exhaust shields.

Also, the side fenders form a straight line on one side and a bent line on the other!

Interesting that it had the hole cut in the rear plate for the original antenna mount, and this had to be plugged.

David
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Posted: Monday, October 25, 2010 - 05:03 AM GMT+7
Hello Fellas

I wonder if any of you might care to join me in a discussion.

Tiger 323 of sPzAbt 503, summer 1943 - I am sure that this is a late 1942/early 1943 build, but wonder whether the members of the forum could identify exactly which month this Tiger 1 rolled off of the production line?



sPzAbt 503 took delivery of 25 Tigers during Decmber 1942 and later 10 Tigers in March 1943 - I am sure this was manufactured (at the earliest) December 1942, but have an idea that it was later (i.e. February 1943). Does anybody have any firm ideas on month of manufacture?

Thanks in anticipation.


Bill
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Posted: Sunday, October 24, 2010 - 11:51 AM GMT+7
Hi Rick

PE for the Feifel system can come from a variety of sources - Voyager do include it in the Early Tiger set (and the super-duper Pro set), the Tamiya Afrika Troop Tiger sets (there are now two of them) and the one dedicated Feifel system AM set; also Aber and Lion Roar include PE for the Feifel system in their sets (and I guess Eduard do also).

Later in the series I will show you use of the Voyager Feifel set; PEA087 without recycling Academy parts - NB the filter boxes in the Voyager resin set are the 'late' type.

Cheers!


Bill
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Posted: Friday, October 22, 2010 - 10:04 PM GMT+7
Hi Bill ...Great job so far ...I`m getting ready for a Tiger build soon and I didn`t quite get where you got the PE for the Feifel system ? I'm going to need that to backdate my Micheal Wittman Early to an even earlier one ..

Rick
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Posted: Friday, October 22, 2010 - 08:40 AM GMT+7
Hi Guys!

Looks like there is quite a bit to catch up on - sorry for the delay. I have a total of six completed builds on the Tiger Evolution series to show you, so hang on & I'll post them up as soon as I can.

All the best.


Bill

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Posted: Friday, October 22, 2010 - 08:32 AM GMT+7
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:30 AM GMT+7
For further updates, pls follow this link, until I have found a way of posting pictures here;

http://www.militarymodelling.com/forums/postings.asp?th=38892&p=1

Thanks!
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2010 - 05:32 AM GMT+7
Tracks & tow cables on;



Looks like my Kitmaker gallery space is full. I can't face creating yet another internet account to make this blog work on two sites simultaneously, so if you want to see it through to the end please catch up with me via the "Panzers In Scale" link below (there will be a link to the Tiger Evolution blog from there).

Many thanks for all of your support & advice so far, but the Armorama picture cache size isn't big enough for me to continue here.

Over & out!


Bill Hazard

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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2010 - 05:09 AM GMT+7
Bill, I have a few questions, perhaps a group of groaners, but I'm going to ask anyway.

On the casting numbers, is there any method to the numbering on them? I would initially assume they relate to the foundry where they were made. Were the numbers specific to a particular part or set of parts such as all guards made by manufacturer X had the same casting number or were the numbers exclusive to the individual part or sets so each part or set had a different number? The few I have seen appear to be different across tanks of a specific model. Were they related to production runs, times such as from a given date to another date? Changes in the physical configuration?

And of course, did you know which to use by going over umpteen pictures of the vehicles you are replicating to find the exact ones?

Lastly, is there a reference guide or place this information is explained? I have a pretty good reference library but very little even mentions the subject. Thanks!
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Posted: Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 02:19 PM GMT+7
This Feifel system is a miture of DML/Voyager (two sets; the circular discs are available from the Professional Upgrade set, not from the DAK PE upgrade)/Tamiya and was a real back-breaker.





The chains are TMD (brass coloured) and ANother blackened fine chain wot I got from Euromilitaire 2008.

I know, I know; the chains might be over scale & too long, but WHATEVER, I don't care; this lot nearly killed me.

"Panzer! Vor!"


Bill
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Posted: Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 02:17 PM GMT+7
Hi Kirk!

Cop this then;




Bosch lights on with the PE parts out of the Voyager Model Tiger 1 Initial set (even though the parts are the same pattern, the PE in the Initial Tiger 1 set is thicker).

The wiring is 30 guage copper wire, which has been annealed with a cigarette lighter.

I saw the recent Star Trek movie the other night;

"Are you out of your Vulcan mind?"

He he...I loved that bit.
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Posted: Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 02:08 PM GMT+7
I always get a charge out of seeing armor kits with the raw PE attached Looking really good, Bill!
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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 04:11 PM GMT+7
Hi Guys!

Shame about the Armorscale booboo, but I can remedy it.









Moving on to the engine deck I have added some more detail in PE to the turret bin & grills; there are a few more cam loops to add to the rear of the engine bay and the kit-bashed/AM feifel system will take a bit of figuring out...

Please note that the cupola is complete with detailing (phew!) . The drum cupola front vision slit fine sighting wire will be added to later builds, but not this one, as there is a PE ranging/sighting vane to go onto the mantlet & I don't think such an early Tiger 1 has that detail.

I have had to modify the PE piece over the left-hand cleaning rods as there are only two on that side, but the resin retainer has a guide for the tow wire also, but the PE kit part is long enough to accommodate three rods. I'll show you later (I had to reduce the width of the resin piece, but that was straight forward).

I must be feeling brave; I have added the antenna (AND the horseshoe, not that you can see it in these shots) already!

Thanks for looking & see ya!


Bill

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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 09:33 AM GMT+7
Armorscale have literally screwed up.

David
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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 09:29 AM GMT+7
Hi David

This is the positioning of the Armorscale grub screws;



There are three pairs of screws - I hope my editing has made it clear.


Bill

PS what about showing pictures from ANother website?

PPS Hi Phil! I love your music thingumy, but what about some Carpenters? Or Jackson Five? Or Terry Wogan's Floral Dance? (He ducks & runs for cover...)
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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 09:17 AM GMT+7
Hi Bill! Good to see you back onto the 'Kitty Boiler'! Only one Tiger I have been told of had the gun sleeves seal grub screws located in a differing location than the norm! And David told me of that one... And it is an blunder by the engineers that re-assembled the Aberdeen Tiger, when they fitted the sleeve upside down! Drain hole on the top...
Looking good, a bit more flesh on this Cat eh?

Cheers Phil.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 08:19 AM GMT+7
I'm not aware of any variation in the positioning of the barrel sleeve screws. What have they done?

David
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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 08:19 AM GMT+7
PS how is the blogger fixed for showing pictures he has found on the web on the forum? For example if there is a reference picture on 'Tiger Im Focus' I would like to share; if I name-check it as a source - is that Ok?


Bill
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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 08:10 AM GMT+7
Hi Guys!

I didn't want to bore you with the early bits of Tiger 2, the DAK one, so I just built for a week or two before posting up.

Currently we have a nearly generic Initial Tiger 1 with one addition; the DAK-style turret bin, which still awaits some detailing. It fits well & will lend itself perfectly to this project.

The mantlet is Armorscale, as is the barrel, which is not identical to the RB Models version; some parts are more challenging, some less. One interesting feature is that Armorscale have the grub screws on the barrel collar positioned differently. Hmmm...I hope this is a variant of the norm, yet I am still to find pictures to prove it.

WIP;









This is where things are going to get interesting. The PE is the Voyager Model set dedicated to the Tamiya 'Afrika' Tiger, which is comprehensive enough to give this baby a kick.

You will note the Aber coaxial & radio op MG's and lack of tracks...so far. I have some Friuls for this baby & will deploy them ASAP.

Rear detail;



You will notice that I have found my stash of spare Voyager louver screws; on the exhaust stacks keeping the flappers open. Nice bit of detailing there.

Also; it was a whole passel easier adding the tow shackles before the PE went on; last time I damned near pulled it off...or summat, Guv.

As this was a September/early October 1942 build this'll be the last of the box-style Notek light, so lap it up whilst you can...the next Tiger will start to show some more changes on the way. Talking of which, the PE rings in all of the upcoming changes to this 'initial' DAK Tiger 1.

Other detailing matters to mention so far are that I have eradicated the hull side locking fillets; I can't see evidence of this on DAK initial Tigers, so have removed them with Tipp-Ex (either way, the bulk of this detail will be lost under the fenders, which BTW are different to the 'usual' Tiger 1 fenders, but I will explain that later).

I have used the Tiger 1 Initial sprocket wheels here - they are brilliant & a lot less emotionally draining than worrying about bolt alignment (like maybe I should have worried about the alignment of the spokes with the rib bolts...or something, Guv). I'm free! I'm free!...of (severe) detail-freakery. Not. Actually, I couldn't be bothered to research it, so lay on Dragon! In 6252 sprocket wheels I trust!

The Bosch light armoured wire hubs are, yet again, robbed from the Tamiya Tiger 1; this poor old Tamiya is being battered & bruised, but I promise will be a treat when I get to it. like in the Million Dollar Man;

"I have the technology to rebuild it! Mwah-ha-ha-ha!"

Catch y'all, like, latier man!

Comments greatly appreciated.

Abyssinia!



Bill

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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 06:58 PM GMT+7

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Thanks for all the advice & support I have had so far – it has helped immensely, even at this early stage. I know that without your help & encouragement I would have put many a foot wrong (actually, I know I have dropped one or two clangers already, but in the grand scheme of things I am on track). So; MUCHOS GRACIAS!

Can anybody advise me about the limit of photographs in the Kitmaker gallery? My gallery says I don't have much space left, which is a little surprising after only 30 photos or so? Does everybody use Photobucket?



Give Webshots a look. Lots of free space. Easy to select image size and various ways to present and link to pictures. Webshots may well compare to Photobucket which I haven't used as a picture poster, so I can't speak to a site by site comparison. Maybe use the free bits of both!!
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 02:26 PM GMT+7

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Thanks for doing this! It will be an outstanding reference!

I just checked around for a copy of The Modeller’s Guide to the Tiger Tank and found one -and only one- through an Amazon.com seller priced at $113 plus change. (and I didn't add an extra "1" in the price!)



Hi
Doing a quick check on Google for the UK it shows several for sale at around £20 - £25 so I'm sure you'll be able to source one in the US at a more reasonable price than you saw on Amazon. I got the Osprey one a couple of years ago (complete with reversed image ) but this one looks the business.

Here

also here
and here

Never dealt with any of the above so can't vouch for them, or if their listings are live inventory style entries.

Alan




Hi Alan. I found a copy and bought it from eBay. Total cost including shipping was about $43. USD. The listing included some additional words in the title "Modelers Guide to the Tiger Tank Military Miniatures". I don't know why it didn't come up in my other searches since I didn't put it in quotation marks. On eBay the Modelers Guide to the Tiger Tank showed zero results but under the other searches it appeared under model guide which had lots of stuff about RV (caravan) toilets. I about closed the page when I glimpsed it. Regardless, I scored and it sure beat $113.35!
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 02:01 PM GMT+7

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Thanks for doing this! It will be an outstanding reference!

I just checked around for a copy of The Modeller’s Guide to the Tiger Tank and found one -and only one- through an Amazon.com seller priced at $113 plus change. (and I didn't add an extra "1" in the price!)



Hi
Doing a quick check on Google for the UK it shows several for sale at around £20 - £25 so I'm sure you'll be able to source one in the US at a more reasonable price than you saw on Amazon. I got the Osprey one a couple of years ago (complete with reversed image ) but this one looks the business.

Here

also here
and here

Never dealt with any of the above so can't vouch for them, or if their listings are live inventory style entries.

Alan
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 01:42 PM GMT+7
Sheesh! I got my copy for £40 about 6 months ago - it was the last one the seller had & no discount despite a dog-ear.

It is an excellent book.

I will post up a list of my reference texts throughout the build; I am using about 8 books, I think.

Nice to have you post up Jim.


Bill