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Sudzonic
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Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 03:09 AM UTC
Had another idea this morning.. Like the title says how about a Australian and New Zealand campaign?

All armour and vehicles from any era?

Who's in??

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Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 07:57 AM UTC
sounds good, but what AFV's do Australian and new zealand use? i know that the aussies use ASLAV's but thats all i know of. do they use leopards?
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Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 11:02 AM UTC
OOHHHH, I like that idea.
Stanley,
We do use the ASLAV's type I, 2 and 3 (3 coming very soon), M113's, Leopards (up until recently), M1A1 AIM SA, Bushmaster PMV, M88A2.
But we have used quite a selection of armour.
http://www.armytankmuseum.com.au/

Cheers Jason
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Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 11:40 AM UTC
I believe due to continual budget cuts we use these ...



In all honesty I don't think we currently have anything other than the LAVs which replaced old M113s, but I could be wrong.
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Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 01:47 PM UTC
Sounds good Scott, if I can't find any Aussie armor in the near future this campaign will still give me a good reason to get another one of those Firefly's out of my stash and onto the display shelf
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Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 10:06 PM UTC

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Sounds good Scott, if I can't find any Aussie armor in the near future this campaign will still give me a good reason to get another one of those Firefly's out of my stash and onto the display shelf



Jeremy there were no Aussie Firefly's
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Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 10:42 PM UTC
An Australia/New Zealand campaign sounds fun!

I know the Canadians & Poles received Fireflies, but not sure about anyone else. However, I do believe the 75mm Sherman was more widespread among Commonwealth units. Then again, there's always the Fairey Firefly airplane as used by the UK and Australia in the 50s!

Any idea of timeframe? New campaigns seem to be starting well into next year due to a crowded schedule...

Tom
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Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 11:03 PM UTC
Title makes the campaign sound like it'll be full of Men at Work Vignettes!

How about including dioramas/figures so i have an excuse to pull my finger out and crack on with the modern diggers i have been wanting to create.
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Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 11:26 PM UTC
I could be keen to sign up for this campaign. New Zeland has plenty of options for WWII and some modern AFVs.

WWII vehicles include; M3A1 White Scout Car, Sherman Mk I, Sherman Mk III, Sherman VC Firefly, Staghound Mk I & II, M10 Mk II Tank Destroyer, M10 Mk IIC Achilles, Humber Scout Car, Dingo Scout Car, Universal Carrier Mk I and Stuart/Honey Mk I.

Modern/Post WWII include; NZLAV (LAVIII), Pinzgauer High Mobility All-Terrain Vehicle, U1700 Unimog trucks, L118 Light Gun, M548s, M41, M113s and Scorpion CVTs

So there's a bit to choose from

I'll probably go with something from WWII based in Italy

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Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 11:45 PM UTC
I'm in. Got a few vehicles i could do!
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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2010 - 02:12 AM UTC
I'd be interested in such a campaign, I have an Australian Matilda conversion. But there are just too many campaigns going on in the next 8 or 9 months, so my joining would depend on the time frame... the later the better.

Cheers!
Stefan
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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2010 - 03:36 AM UTC

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Sounds good Scott, if I can't find any Aussie armor in the near future this campaign will still give me a good reason to get another one of those Firefly's out of my stash and onto the display shelf



Jeremy there were no Aussie Firefly's



It was my understanding that New Zealand operated Firefly's. If I remember correctly I have a few kits with New Zealand markings in the decal sheets. I'll have to pull one out to make sure.
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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2010 - 06:09 AM UTC

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Title makes the campaign sound like it'll be full of Men at Work Vignettes!



Dave, you rumbled my big idea! Now how do we post sound files to the gallery?...

I was thinking of kitbashing a decent M113 FSV from an Academy M113 and the bits from a Tamiya kit - or is there a complete model out there already?

Tom
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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2010 - 06:14 AM UTC

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Title makes the campaign sound like it'll be full of Men at Work Vignettes!

How about including dioramas/figures so i have an excuse to pull my finger out and crack on with the modern diggers i have been wanting to create.



After i had the idea i could not get that song out of my head
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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2010 - 07:17 AM UTC
Sounds good to me. Aslong as the start time is next year. Have to many campaigns going now.
Tom
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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2010 - 05:00 PM UTC

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I was thinking of kitbashing a decent M113 FSV from an Academy M113 and the bits from a Tamiya kit - or is there a complete model out there already?

Tom



There were two kits made but I don't remember seeing them in a long long time. Tamiya made one using the turret of their old Saladin Armoured Car (another kit you don't see around). Not sure if it's an FSV or had another name but I seem to recall AFV Club made one using Academy's M113 and their FV107 Scimitar turret.
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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 02:57 AM UTC

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I was thinking of kitbashing a decent M113 FSV from an Academy M113 and the bits from a Tamiya kit - or is there a complete model out there already?

Tom



There were two kits made but I don't remember seeing them in a long long time. Tamiya made one using the turret of their old Saladin Armoured Car (another kit you don't see around). Not sure if it's an FSV or had another name but I seem to recall AFV Club made one using Academy's M113 and their FV107 Scimitar turret.



The Tamiya Fire Support Vehicle or FSV (Saladin turret) is OK out of the box but if you want to go a bit further then get hod of the Muse House update as the plastic kit has a fair few accuracy issues. And a new set of tracks.
AFV Club made the Medium Recce Vehicle or MRV (boxed incorrectly as an FSV) with the Academy M113 hull and running gear with a AFV Club Scorpion turret and extra bits.
Extract from Terry Ashleys site on the MRV kit
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The Kit:
For the purposes of this review, the kit is built basically out of the box. This is to show what is in the kit and explain any problems with construction.
I have already started a second kit making all the alterations and adding the detail for an up to date Aussie MRV. Most of these alterations relate to small details, there aren't any major errors, AFV Club has done well in providing the larger parts required, although there are a couple of bits missed as described below.

The kit is a co-operative effort between AFV Club and Academy and like the Dragon Shermans comes with it's own spares box. The kit comprises 8 sprues and a lower hull "bathtub". 6 sprues of individual track links and a turned aluminum barrel. Three of the sprues come straight from the Academy M113 kits, the road wheels plus two others from which only a few small parts are used here. The main hull tub is also from Academy. Four sprues are from AFV Club's Scorpion kit, two for the turret and the two road wheel sprues. These are only included for the periscopes and other small turret bits on the same sprue. One new sprue from AFV Club contains all the parts to make the Aussie MRV.

afv club The decal sheet has markings for two vehicles, one in overall desert sand and the other in the great looking three colour cam scheme currently used on Australian Army vehicles.

One noticeable thing is the difference in quality of the Academy and AFV Club parts in the kit. While the AFV Club parts are up to today's standards the Academy bits look dated. There is excessive flash on some parts, especially the smaller bits (eg. Headlights) and the fit leaves a bit to be desired in places. Had AFV Club done the whole kit themselves the overall quality would have been better, but due to economics chose the co-operative route.

vonHengest
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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 03:57 AM UTC

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sounds good, but what AFV's do Australian and new zealand use? i know that the aussies use ASLAV's but thats all i know of. do they use leopards?




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In all honesty I don't think we currently have anything other than the LAVs which replaced old M113s, but I could be wrong.



It is my understanding that the Australian Army has purchased a small quantity of M1A1 Abram AIM tanks over the past few years to replace their older Leopards.
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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 07:22 AM UTC
Guys,

Thanks for the M113 info. I have the old Tamiya FSV on the display shelf, complete with replacement tracks from Modelkasten (I think - a friend gave them to me), but the hull is their ancient kit with motorisation holes and lumpen details, so I thought I might look for a crisper body from a newer kit. The turret is the only Saladin turret in town, so I'd just have to improve it...

Any thoughts yet on the start & finish dates for the campaign?

Tom
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Posted: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 09:35 PM UTC

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sounds good, but what AFV's do Australian and new zealand use? i know that the aussies use ASLAV's but thats all i know of. do they use leopards?




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In all honesty I don't think we currently have anything other than the LAVs which replaced old M113s, but I could be wrong.



It is my understanding that the Australian Army has purchased a small quantity of M1A1 Abram AIM tanks over the past few years to replace their older Leopards.



The original post refers to New Zealand Jeremy.

Australia has M1A1 AIM's as it's MBT as well as other equipment.

The M1A1's are being redone in OzCam too
vonHengest
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Posted: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 03:40 PM UTC
Paul, I'm not sure I follow what you are referring to as the first post. Just want to make sure we're not talking past each other.

And OzCam sounds cool, I'm really unfamiliar with Australian camo though.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 09:09 PM UTC

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And OzCam sounds cool, I'm really unfamiliar with Australian camo though.



Most Australian Army vehicles are three-colour Disruptive Pattern Paint scheme.

Like this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Bushmaster_rear_side.JPG

The Abrams were delivered in single colour desert yellow paint but are now being repainted in a slightly more interesting scheme as they go through maintenance. There are a few photos around on the net.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 09:29 PM UTC

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Paul, I'm not sure I follow what you are referring to as the first post. Just want to make sure we're not talking past each other.

And OzCam sounds cool, I'm really unfamiliar with Australian camo though.



Sorry Jeremy I meant the reference to the second post, you quote of Dean who is a Kiwi

Australia has M1A1's so there are some pretty cool options there
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Posted: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 10:52 PM UTC
New Zealand currently has no heavy armour ( or an airforce, thank you Labour Government ). We use the LAV III.

We used the Firefly in Italy in WWII. Aussie bought their boys home to fight in the Pacific which is why they never got the Firefly. In WWII we used pretty much whatever the British were using. The initial LRDG were made up heavily of Kiwis so there were a lot of LRDG trucks with Kiwi monickers.

Whenever I think of auscam I always think of the jellybean BDUs.
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Posted: Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 02:13 AM UTC

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New Zealand currently has no heavy armour ( or an airforce, thank you Labour Government ). We use the LAV III.

We used the Firefly in Italy in WWII. Aussie bought their boys home to fight in the Pacific which is why they never got the Firefly. In WWII we used pretty much whatever the British were using. The initial LRDG were made up heavily of Kiwis so there were a lot of LRDG trucks with Kiwi monickers.

Whenever I think of auscam I always think of the jellybean BDUs.



And the good news is that sometime in the future trump will release a NZ-LAV i asked Gouye if we would ever see a NZ-LAV and he promptly posted a pic in the LAV 3 thread..