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Help ASLAV patrol order - SECDET# or Baghdad
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Posted: Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 11:38 PM UTC
FANDABIDOZI!
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Posted: Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 06:15 PM UTC
test bed for the road - blog here
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=170011&page=1

heres what it could look like


Adam
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 11:50 AM UTC
Absolutely breath-taking. Your craftsmanship is just amazing.
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 03:20 PM UTC
looking fantsatic Adam!
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 01:49 AM UTC
Thankyou Brenton.

heres an update for composition and layout only (so some things a have representations and are not the actual items ie fitters and guncar). Intended here to test figures, balance, number of vehicles , any obvious voids or dead areas, flow lines and story. comments welcome.

Adam




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Posted: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 03:07 PM UTC
Loving your work
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Posted: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 09:19 PM UTC
For those interested, heres some in progress shots of the Aslav PC conversion...



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Posted: Monday, November 29, 2010 - 03:59 PM UTC
G'day Adam,
To answer your 1st question (sort of question) I have a spine board about 80% done that was going to go into my PC stowage set. But other things have come up since then. I might have to get back into it mate?
2nd question, beacon thing, yes, yes, that is what it is, sorry no it's not, don't ask.
3rd question, the black hex disc's are for the simulation systems attached when on exercise. The mounting points have just been left on since they deployed. The eagle emblem is a 2 CAV thing, but does not mean that the crew are from that unit and that particular time that the photo was taken a crew from another unit could be crewing it. Again Australian TAC markings do not denote Units. But as you guessed, Troop symbols can and do at times. The trim vane extension is still attached.

Cheers Jason
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Posted: Monday, November 29, 2010 - 01:24 PM UTC
I have decided to remove (or to not install) the chainsaw rack and ecternal stowage box on my ASLAV PC - most refernence pic show these items removed in the MEAO. It is on some , but its a rarity! Leaves more room for other stowage anyways.

On another note I see alot of the SecDet ASLAV PC with a hardboard stretcher on the side, Pro art models include one in their Dumvee set but its about $80 bucks... guess i wont have a hardboard stretcher strapped to the side jerry can racks.

Have found two pics of vehicles in the MEAO that I have some questions about though.. the first pic - what is the beacon shaped antenna in the middle of the deck? has a decent shroud around it, have not seen this one before - any ideas?


the next image has an ASLAV PC With some strange black discs on the side. Looks like 4 or 5 above the lower footman tie downs. This looks like a 2 CAV vehicle as I can see the emblem at front left and right. Interestingly has the splash board extender removed, and antennas tied back also uncommon to see. But the discs have me curious - are they a blanking plate or a mounting point or some kind of recognition system ?



Any help .. always appreciated
Adamskii
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Posted: Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 11:10 AM UTC
Ok this is a worry. I actually understand what your talking about. All the answers I need are in your response. Assumption is correct - Southern Iraq, 2005+ (admin run through Al Samawah, AMTG 2 or 3), pc type two will be updated to phase 3 (using the acm set, trim vane, antenna etc) but with the phase two Diemaco cupola sporting the RWS update for AFV club (rotated to 3 oclock as all photos show).
I ncidentally, I will also be fiting the MEAO update to this vehicle (as per the MV4 profile book). Also will be fitting bulged tyres, spoke with John yesterday and he has two sets for me put aside, guess I'm ordering a spider mount too - to go with the fitters vehicle I'll be ordering when it is available. ..

I don't mind taking some artistic license with somethings, and I do not want to be a rivett counter, just have an accurate version of what we drove there!

with so much work on 3 vehicles - (the bar armour turreted guncar will be started v soon), I would like to make this diorama be a highlight of what we can offer as Aussies to the world of armoured vehicles. As such the current thinking is to have the type 3 hull included (fitters) so that would have a type 1, 2 and 3 hull on display all phase 3 vehicles . Maybe they didnt travell in a patrol of 3 like that but this is where I'll use my artisitc licence I guess - I can live with that. The practicality of building a 6 car patrol is something I cant begin to imagine and my wife would kill me if I suggested doubling the size and cost.

Thanks for the advice Jason - how you seem to be tireless in your answering of questions on ASLAV is inspirational.

My buildings Are a total fabrication - all scratchbuilt and I built my own moulds to castthem myself, I do have a build log in Photos, but have'nt posted them yet. When I get a moment I wil convert and upload them - there are dozens of pics, so will cherry pick a few good developement ones. Am glad you like them - when they're finished you will love them!

Adam

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Posted: Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 02:55 AM UTC
The building are truly outstanding
Do you have progress pics ??
Is this total scratch total ???

Please share because i love it
Cheers
Seb
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Posted: Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 01:51 AM UTC
This can be a bit tricky. Now assuming we are talking 2005+ Southern Iraq.
OK, first of all, your putting the Kongsberg RWS from AFV Club on the Type 2 PC? If so then you will need MA122 RWS mount and update set and also MA129 Phase III PC upgrade (you have both,cool). You wont be using the MR555 cupola.
Only some PC's had the MR555 Mod 1 (MA129) (or flat top cupola Phase III) and they were on the Amobo's with the rigid .50 cal mount (we haven't made that mount yet). But they mostly used the Dimarco w/.50 (as in the MA120 kit). All other PC's had the Kongsberg RWS on the Dimarco mount swung to 3 o'clock in relation to the front of the hull. No PC's were fitted with the SEAL Solutions (Spider) Mount. Only the Type III F/R. But some Type III's still sported the flex Mag58.
Now, the Dimarco mount is a Phase II cupola and the MR555 is a Phase III cupola. But having said that, the Dimarco on the PC does not mean the PC is a Phase II. You can assume that all ASLAV's in the MEAO after early 2004 were Phase III and all PC's (apart from Ambo's) were fitted with the RWS on the Dimarco mount.

Now to confuse you even more. At times PC's could sport the Dimarco mount with .50 cal if the RWS's were down due to maintenance etc. But this was a very rare occurrence.
In Australia, the Spider mount with MR555 on PC's, MR555 with rigid mount on ACV's and old flex Mag58 on F/R. But, and there is that bloody word again, it depends on the unit, the number of vehicles in the unit and the tempo of the said unit.
Confusing??????


The fitter kit is being boxed as a Phase III but wont have the Spider mount in it. To back date it to a Phase II you just need to swap out the trim vane for a Phase II one and remove a couple of "funny shaped" antenna's for want of a better term. There will be decals in the kit but only the HUD and a couple of others. At last count there were 218 individual parts for the kit over 52 sprue's.

Cheers Jason

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Posted: Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 01:35 AM UTC
Here are some shots of the suspension/steering i have modified.





I basically extended the tie rods on one side with 2mm styrene, and shortened the other sde by trimming it. The 1/2 round pins that locate the structs were reduced to 1/4 round ones so they could rotate within the socket.

More to follow ...
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Posted: Friday, November 26, 2010 - 11:42 PM UTC
Thanks for that Jason, however i will stick with what is molded - figures are my weak spot...

My problem at the moment is some confusion over phase 2 and 3 cupolas for the type 2 pc. I have of course the phase 2 type 2 pc kit, which has the dimenaco(?) mount. I also purchased the phase 3 upgrade to include the Platt mr550 cupola. I was trying to work out how the RWS mounts to the phase 3 cupola? I have since worked out I dont have the parts to do that. It requires the seal solutions spider mount.

I was lead to believe that the spider mount was only seen on type 3 hulls during iraq - (conversation between JM and myself), but would probably be rolled out to all type 2 and 3 hulls eventually. so how does the .50cal mount attach to a MR550 cupola? or does it ? Pictures, yes I have my share lol and there are some that look like its a similar style to the dimenaco one, but the date of the pics is sketchy so not sure if Iraq or Aus.

I would still like to upgrade the phase 2 to phase 3, but I need confirmation photo of an Iraq era phase 3 vehicle with the spider mount on it that is a type 2 hull. Otherwise, i'll stick with a phase 2, and keep my phase 3 upgrade for the ASLAV F due out in January which I know was fitted with the spider mount on it! - unless it already comes as a phase 3.. with seal solutions mount..

By the way, will that conversion have any markings/ decals or a guide to the recovery vehicles and thier names? beavis and butthead ? etc

LOL whatever happened to out of the box !
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Posted: Thursday, November 25, 2010 - 01:48 AM UTC
G'day Adam,
Just to make it hard for you again, if your going to use my ASLAV crew figures, you may need to shave off the "Mole" (spelling) straps on the body armour and replace them with a wider webbing strap. The body armour is exactly the same but the one I did was the later version. The later version started to come into play around the time of AMTG.
Body Armour pic
I might have a look at back dating and releasing a set of the earlier version without the neck protection.
Cheers Jason
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Posted: Thursday, November 25, 2010 - 12:57 AM UTC
I have summised that I can include my bushmaster when it arrives in the convoy/patrol, if I model it during the 1st or second cycle of the AMTG, en route through the city of Al Samawah. As jason pointed out anything is possible, and I have some photo evidence that combined Movements occured (Aslav and BM) during this time.
I also find interesting that we provided secrity for the JSDF and thier LAV's patrols are flanked by our vehicles, during the JSDF's own RTF and humanitarian work. So i could drop the Tamiya JSDF LAV in the mix instead of the BM. Looks like the US Marines were also in Al Samawah during the time of AMTG and RTF - qualifying my m1114 humvee too!

Started on the aslav pc today. pics to follow soon

Adam
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Posted: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 07:44 PM UTC
Cheers Adam!
Adamskii
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Posted: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 02:33 PM UTC
The fridge is from the verlinen set #2299 "home goods (modern) from 1950'2 set 1"

Has some trash cans, tv radio fridge washer dryer etc. painted with two part rust patina (real rust) then used salt technique for white overspray, no washes no drybrush.

Adam
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Posted: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 01:06 PM UTC
I have the Mig hilux, and it's a good kit.

who makes the fridge and stuff?

Cheers!
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Posted: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 12:42 AM UTC
Thankyou very much for your information. It hurts to hear, but at least i can plan something realistic. If i want to do a BM with a gun car and pc, then it needs to be amtg or similar. RTF ? I wonder? alternatively i guess i could put a civvy car between the 2 aslavs as some kind of diplomatic escort - MIG productions do the hilux's..

Thanks again. As said previously I would prefer not tohave 2 of the same variant on dio, 3 diff aslavs in one patrol maybe ok..

Good to see the ASLAV R almost ready !!

Adam
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Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010 - 11:47 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Later on the BM was used in some aspects of the SECDET rotations but only after about XI rotation (I believe).



I did a bit more poking around, and nope the Bushmaster has not been used on SECDET missions or patrols.

Cheers Jason
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Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 - 03:37 PM UTC
Brilliant! I hope one day to get my buildings looking as good as yours!

Love the way you have your humbrol paints organised, i might have to do that!
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Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 02:07 AM UTC
"Great success.."!!

so here are the building pics I promised









these are in process photos only and do not represent the final product at all!!!
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Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 02:04 AM UTC
ok so i'm going to try with photobucket...
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Posted: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 11:35 AM UTC
Thats ok mate. We will just have to go to your album to look. and i've decided to get a pool table! just have to find some space in my shed now!