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ASLAV F (Fitters) Build log, Iraq 2006
Adamskii
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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2011 - 03:33 AM UTC
Howdy Ryan and thankyou very much for your comments

No such thing as a prick when it comes to offering advice of a technical nature... is there a nice way to tell someone somethings amiss?

I understand your observations, and it is with clumsy fingers I assembled the commanders cupola - and unknown to most , I broke it off twice from mishandling it during the final stages of construction, and it started to look ratty.

However in the end I made a significant decision to remove the mag 58 and return the cupola to natural state, and mount an .50 RWS with Seal Solutions spider mount. This eliminates the cupola crisis.

I am sorry to see there are actually no pictures of it mounted - I cant believe I dont have any - I know I promised I would post them, but if I did I lost em somewhere along the way.

As for the flag holders I know now from your and certainly from other subscribers that they hold the spotties - the reason I thought flags was I have a picture here somewhere with short handled red range type flags utilising the brackets.

The tool racks are most certainly a challenge, I know that the manufacturer is aware of those concerns and I think he might be trying to address it - however he is very busy and to be honest I'd rather see new releases than correcting something like the tool rack - most serious modellers will make an effort to thin them down somewhat anyways. The cyclone tools have a unique shape and are hard to substitute for.

As with all ASLAVS, configuration is a nightmare. for every person who declares that it was only ever done a certain way , sure as *&%$ someone else comes along with another version. Hoever no matter the configuration - the nuts and bolts stay the same - dimensions and angles dont change so its good to get feedback on technical observations.

It has been a few months since I visited this blog, and I think I was adding updates to another build log that was relevant to this one ..

have you checked out these two I done ?

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=169413&ord=&page=3

(look closely at the 3 vehicles together and the pinwash stage and you will see the broken pins to the cupola ring..)

And the diorama of course.

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=170525&ord=&page=14

amazingly I havent taken pics of the finished diorama yet ! I was working on it in the hotel room in melbourne after driving from adelaide - the only "final " pictures are ones people took at the comp. Since I got back the model has sat in the carport under wraps.. ( Im not allowed to touch models for a while now, if you get my meaning)..

Bill - you dont skip a beat - thanks for the enhanced pic

Adamskiiiii
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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2011 - 01:03 AM UTC

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I have taken the liberty to enhance your photo so I could see the tools more clearly I hope you don't mind?

Bill



not at all mate. sorry it wasn't clearer in the first place but hey, at least you can see the sides of the car in this photo, most of the others show it covered in mud (literally covered, i was getting hit in the back of the head with mud flicking up from the right hand rear wheel whilst standing in the crewies hole)
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2011 - 11:51 PM UTC
I have taken the liberty to enhance your photo so I could see the tools more clearly I hope you don't mind?
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2011 - 06:50 PM UTC
Adam, firstly let me say well done with this build, it's looking great and i can't wait to see it painted and 100% finished. I'm saving my coin to get one of these and the newly released ASLAV-R's also however my main goal is to use them as accurate points of reference for reproduction in 1:25 scale (i'm building a Mack HRV and 20t trailer for a RAEME theme)...

now, at the risk of sounding like a prick, here's are a few thing's that i've noticed.
1: The CC's Gun Ring is too high, yes the 1:1 versions are set up reasonably high, but this one just looks a bit too high, also, the arm that sits out from the gun ring should sit at the same level as the ring itself, this one looks like it may have been cast slightly lower than it should be (appears to sit just below the level of the ring)
2: As has been pointed out previously, the 'flag holders' that you mentioned are for the three work lights that the TIII's carry (stored inside the vehicle just above the left rear door)
3: ALL ASLAV TIII's (that's Fitters and Recovery varients) have a squat appearance, this is, they sit lower in the rear end than the front, it's nothing uncommon for the rear to be as much as 8-10cm lower than the front. This is due to the weight over the rear axles and the amount of crap stored in them.
4: Once again, i think it's a casting/manufacturing issue, but those pioneering tools are way too big (seriously over scaled).

I am a RAEME, ASLAV crew commander, here is a side shot of my R taken earlier this year clearly showing the pioneering tools in their rack,

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Posted: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 - 04:12 PM UTC
So in the dying minuites before travelling interstate for A competition I decide that because I actually have difficulty finding enough pictures of ASLAV fitters in IRAQ without RWS fitted, I am going to mount my seal solutions mount with RWS.

I was putting my reference pages together and of the 12 photos I was using of the fitters vehicle for the judging notes/ references, ALL of the Iraq vehicles had an RWS fitted, it wasnt the same vehicle 12 times either I assure you. None were afghan pics. Most were from private collections from AMTG or OBGW tours. southern Iraq.

I have a spare seal solution mount.. and have raided my AFV club stryker kit for the RWS mount sprue.

Hopefuly I can retrofit without too much of an issue. I know the mag 58 will have to come off and I think I read somewhere the cupola is modified.. either way nothing is impossible!

Watch this space

Im either going fail miserably or pull it off...

Adam
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 03:19 PM UTC
Hi all,

Started my next build log over here http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=169413&page=1#1421843

My type 1 phase 3 for the same dio as this vehicle.

When all three are finished I will paint them together to make sure of consistency with weathering. (also hopefully Jasons paint plans will be ready by then !)

of course will keep udating this blog as issues and corrections come to the fore.

Adam
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 11:50 AM UTC
Ok heres what looked like happened. The sprue/riser CT has a small antenna base where CT5 should be - so i assumed it was some sort of alternative base for whatever reason. When the instructions called for a longer antenna base I just used the longest one on the sprue ( I didnt see clearly the part, and didnt look at the parts list to see what CT5 was) I just knew it wasn't the short one of the two left on the riser.

So anyways, heres what I had left, Floating around in the tray is alot of parts that were broken from the sprues and there was a part that always looked odd to me like it belonged somewhere but never saw where (until now) Lucky I didnt throw it or make use of it somewhere else...

obviously that floating part is the broken off top of the IVNS that should be at the left rear. so this bit joins here :


will repair this part and place where it belongs ASAP

The part I remove ( the HF mount) will be stowed away with my other growing left over parts pile. As Jason points out it is'nt used in MEAO. I should of figured something was wrong earlier of course. I never did mount anything in that bracket in front of the utility box - got that bit tight at least !

Thanks to all who pointed this out, including John Ashby who spotted this first, but Jason who pointed out I was still not getting it right.

That attanetion to detail is very much appreciated - shows that modellers in Australia really care about the accuracy of the vehicles we try to represent!

Adam
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 11:47 AM UTC
I'm really amazed by the amount of detail and work you have put into this. That dio is going to be a masterpiece. Thank you for the inspiration.
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 11:36 AM UTC

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G'day Adam,
The instructions are correct. I think you may have gotten this one mixed up. I know I stuffed up a heap doing my build. CT5 (IVNS) should be on the base of the rear left, not CT4 (HF). CT4 sits in the ant mount (CT1) in front of the large bin (CM). I have not seen the HF used in the MEAO. But I did include it in the kit for Australian based Fitters.



Yeah I screwed up there, dont know what went wrong, will investigate imeadiately - as there is an ant base left on the sprue but it is short and doesnt look like the IVNS.

Thanks for pointing that out - keep them coming !

Adam
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 11:03 AM UTC

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HI mate - unless you have a shot indicating otherwise - the round disc you have highlighted here is a reflector, and these were removed before shipping the vehicles to Iraq

Cheers

SD



I thought so too, but there are alot of pics with them still attached. Whoever was responsible for their removal didnt get the standing order? anyways if you have the ASLAV 4 militarybriefs book, pages 101, 102, 106, 111 (top right and a fitters at the bottom), 115, 119x2 and 137 show Iraq op catalyst/secdet vehicles with the orange reflectors clearly visible. There are other pics but is not absolutely clear what the lump is (looks like some have tape over them and it has half peeled off).

These are very very easy to remove so I will go deeper down the burrow on this and check all my reference pics to be certain its a viable attachment. Thanks heaps for the heads up though its exactly what I need to "judge proof" my model.

Adam
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 08:20 AM UTC
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HI mate - unless you have a shot indicating otherwise - the round disc you have highlighted here is a reflector, and these were removed before shipping the vehicles to Iraq

Cheers

SD
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 05:04 AM UTC
G'day Adam,
The instructions are correct. I think you may have gotten this one mixed up. I know I stuffed up a heap doing my build. CT5 (IVNS) should be on the base of the rear left, not CT4 (HF). CT4 sits in the ant mount (CT1) in front of the large bin (CM). I have not seen the HF used in the MEAO. But I did include it in the kit for Australian based Fitters.
My MEAO Comms ACM35858 will be updated in the next couple of weeks to include the placement of the Blue Force Tracker on the F/R and "DUKE" antenna's for gun car's and PC's.

Cheers Jason
PS I wish I could have built my this fast!!!! Nice job. Very nice job.

PPS and for all of those that are interested, I will have 5 view drawings available soon of the three tone camo pattern.
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 01:36 AM UTC

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Just one question, is the AMU on the rear left a folded HF Ant?
Cheers, John



Howdy John , thanks for clearing up the little holder things - makes sense now I know. Atenna configurations on the ASLAV FOV is niggling nusance for me. I dont know all the correct names, all the correct mounts, and all the specific locations, as well as the rules of employment. And they change so often from one pic to the next its hard to find consistency.

The answer to your question is yes it is - placed there according to the instructions.

I would love to understand the rules of locating "blue force tracker" ant, GPS mount (with and without RWS on type2, and where on bar armoured phase 3 etc) and the other types of mounts, and bases used. I am compiling a small chart to hopefully work this out. eventually I would love to have a plan view map of the top of each car and different typical antenna configurations for troop cars, and the command ones. As Jasmils offers, almost anything is possible with ASLAVs.

I have not placed the antena in the holder in frot of the utility box yet as I have several spare antenna and bases and want to check my references as to the most common one used in IRAQ patrol order.

Thanks for the comments,

Adam
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 01:26 AM UTC

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Holy cow, that was a fast build for the complexity of the kit and conversion. Well Done mate well done indeed. Come and visit me in Melb comp, I will be working at the Firestorm stand. Cheers Andrew



Hi Andrew, thanks for the comments. I am teased by my modelling friends at speed builds. Often they joke the kit is"built before I get it home from the shop".

I'll be sure to say hi in Melb. I will drive over and maybe stay with my brother in law. I'll be doing it as cheap as I can so wont be venturing far from the competition and could well be a fixture there myself. I will do a show report and take a zillion pics so will spend much time seated behind a laptop typing.
Also I like to have a chat with David Hay about the state of modelling and techniques - he has some great advice at times.

Adam

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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 01:11 AM UTC
Holy cow, that was a fast build for the complexity of the kit and conversion. Well Done mate well done indeed. Come and visit me in Melb comp, I will be working at the Firestorm stand. Cheers Andrew
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 12:43 AM UTC
"Also added are some small tubes that I think are used as flag holders?"

Hi Adam. Awesome so far and a joy to follow. Just wanted to let you know that the flag holders are mounts for the VM's work lights. Pretty nifty idea I think. Anyway just wanted to let you as its always interesting to find out what little bits and pieces do.
Just one question, is the AMU on the rear left a folded HF Ant?
Cheers, John
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Posted: Friday, December 31, 2010 - 11:11 PM UTC
Hey Sam

yeah the weather is stuffed. lol. Im looking forward to going to Melbourne again - been 5 years since I entered last time. So have a few years worth of trophy winners to bring over!

As for the build - here is the list of known screw ups and forgotten things to be fixed:
trim vane ram needs replacing (mine fell out - forgot to glue after test fit)
shovel in tool rack needs resizing
MEAO comms upgrade to include shark fins
fill a seam on port side edge
wire headlights etc
install the 8 chain keylocks (cant believe I forgot this)
install correct AMU mount for antenna in front of utility box
fix the two mesh grills to have correct bolt pattern and install the lifting rings

Thats about it as far as I can see. Any others anyone sees let me know to address them!

Adam
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Posted: Friday, December 31, 2010 - 08:01 PM UTC
Happy New Year!

Looking great, i just started mine this arvo.

Great to hear that you'll be over for Expo in June. Drop me a line if you need any info or what ever about the comp.

Hopefully its cooled down where you are - it was 41 deg yesterday, and 24 or something and rainy today. Stupid bloody weather!

SD
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Posted: Friday, December 31, 2010 - 07:29 PM UTC
The build is basically done now. All that is left is to fix up all the screw ups. I will list them afterwards. None of the stowage is done, and this on purpose. I will place the stowage on the vehicles when all three for the dio are built, to make sure I have consistency across the 3, and balance. Same for the antenna masts. All three will be painted together and I have set aside Easter 2011 to do this - so I have 3 or so months to get my markings sorted, stowage , and fix up any outstsanding issues. Models need to be complete by June - Model competition on the long weekend in Melbourne and i want to enter.

As is traditional on most build logs, when finished here are a tonne of walkaround style pics, As if there is anything you havent seen yet via the blog !

If something strikes you as odd or have a question - please let me know and I will address it or offer a reason for it being.

I took pics on an overcast day, unfortunately as soon as i set up, the sun came out so had to shift under the verandah. As Always best pics are taken with natural diffused light. I added a pic of the setup / studio. Photos taken on an 8 megapixel cannon digital SLR, from a distance of about 3 meters using zoom to try and create a larger depth of focus. not perferct but I'm always learning!

Adam










I'm off for a swim.

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Posted: Friday, December 31, 2010 - 12:50 PM UTC
Happy New year everyone! 2011!

headlight assembly.

I hate this part. its fiddly and small and I never get it right. one of the reasons I leave it to last. That said, the brush guards on this kit are resin cast - they are insane! made this part so much easier, if all the kits had this I would of done more.

Anyways heres the pics, step by step how I assmbled them. the photo etch brackets I used the ones supplied in the conversion kit. Pay attention when folding as there is a left and right.

then I fit the leopard style headlamps. These are for the first time hollow and later after painting i will fit the clear lenses. Also In this pic you can see the GPS mast and the AMU bracket on the front of utility box.

Then I fitted the light assembly behind the headlights. I find this fiddly - very hard to do in progress shots of as it requires both hands!


Then I fit the indcators. I also fit the other lock point to the front of the hull

Right brush guard added - very very nice. carefull it is delicate.

I add the left Brush guard. Also In this pic you see the orange reflector above the front wheels there are 3 more , 2 on each side, generally above each pair of wheels.

Rear view mirror left side added. another fiddly assembly - the wire needs to be bent to fit, I have no template but just copied what I did on my ASLAV PC
so its consistent on the diorama.

Add some more details, the wire cutter, and some shackles

Right side mirror added. Of interest I added the phase 3 type mirror mount which is different to the left side. Wire again is bent to match my ASLAV PC.


Lastly the footman loops and antennae configuration on the roof. I absolutely hate doing footman loops and where its an option to use kit supplied pre moulded ones I genereally take it. However as I had to do it on one of the conversions, I have to do it on all 3 for continuity in the diorama . Also added are some small tubes that I think are used as flag holders?



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Posted: Friday, December 31, 2010 - 02:15 AM UTC
Great work on the crane mate. The hydraulic lines are very well done.

To be honest I didn't know what I was getting into when I started the interior, but the majority on the components are done now and the white coat is on, so after it dries I have to paint all the small inaccessible bits ...

Also Im having trouble working out which colours to use for the camo scheme and I was wondering which colours you'll be using?

Keep up the good work!
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Posted: Friday, December 31, 2010 - 12:50 AM UTC
Only way to go comments from me Adam. A very thorough blog, so far. I have always found Trumpeter kits to be a little tricky, but it seems to be going very smoothly for you.
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Posted: Friday, December 31, 2010 - 12:36 AM UTC

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Are they scratch builds or have you bought them? Are there any earlier threads on these?



Hello. They are total scratchbuilds. I designed and cast each of them myself. Many many hours of researching middle eastern architecture for authenticity. I have alot of in progressphotos taken with my iphone, which I will post eventually in the diorama forums. Until then there were some other photos I posted in this thread here http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=166730&page=1 check that out for some detail pics of the corner building.

As said before buildings are far from done - lots of signage and weathering to do, plus electrical fittings and power cables etc etc..

I have a philosophy on dioramas. basically the base and building should be treated as a model in itself, it should be able to stand on its own as a model with all the accuracy, interesting detail and effort that goes in to the vehicles displayed. Too many dioramas have great models on terrible bases , something slapped together as an afterthought. I believe that if the diorama base is good enough, you should be able to remove the military vehicles and replace with anything and it still has context and interest. just a thought . I will definitely detail those more in the diorama thread !

Thanks for your comments

Adam
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Posted: Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 11:34 PM UTC

Great build Adam ... and even though the thread is based on the ASLAV, its the dio and buildings that tickle my fancy. You really captured them nicely. Are they scratch builds or have you bought them? Are there any earlier threads on these?
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Posted: Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 09:22 PM UTC
G'day Adam,
To tell you the truth, I was aware of the problems with the crane, but after doing so much work to the rest of the kit, John and I made an executive decision not to redo the rest of the crane. For two reasons, one, the price of the kit was at a high enough price as it was and two, unless the modeller wanted to position the crane at its full hight, you would not really see the problems with it. As for the "HIAB" on the inside of the crane (or outside) none of the cars I climbed around have this plate. The HIAB used on the M113 Fitter has it, but not this version as far as I have seen.

Cheers Jason

PS Happy New Year.