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bigmal
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Posted: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 06:15 AM UTC
Hello all
My question concerns the external fuel tanks fitted to the T64 range of tanks and is this.
How is the fuel transferred into the vehicle itself as i have not seen a photo that shows any pipes from the drums to the vehicle?
The T72 has pipes across the top of the drums which are quite obvious but i have no idea as to the arrangement on the T64 or the T80 for that matter.Any help in this matter will be much appreciated.
Many thanks in advance

Malcolm

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Posted: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 06:09 PM UTC
Hi Malcolm

To be honest i'm not (yet) a t64 expert, but as far as i know , some model of russian tanks just CARRY the external fuel drums, but they dont'have any pipe linked directly to the engine. In fact, when the crew need to fill up the reservoir, uses a pump.
This is a T 55 user manual drawing which shows the process



Anyway, is just a personal deduction that you should verify

Here you can find some walkaround

http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1408

http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1698

http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1704

http://www.fotovalkirumodelism.com/page.php?page=538

http://www.fotovalkirumodelism.com/page.php?page=381

http://www.fotovalkirumodelism.com/page.php?page=69

http://svsm.org/gallery/t-64a?page=1

http://www.t-64.de/frame-start.htm

http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fserkoff.narod.ru%2F&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8

I hope this will be helpful for you

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Jacques
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Posted: Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 09:50 AM UTC
I looked through my T-80 manual and while there is piping connecting the fuel tanks to each other, there is no piping diagram to the engine. Either it was manually pumped out by opening the fuel caps and inserting a pump, or it was plumbed into the engine compartment and that is not show in the diagrams.

Anyone have a clue for the T-64 or T-80?
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Posted: Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 09:45 PM UTC
Haha,
for once I "know" something that Jacques doesn't

In fact, I found this diagram at the site fully dedicated to the T-64.
For discussion only


Here is the site url T-64 MBT

Olivier
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2011 - 03:12 AM UTC
Good eye Olivier! Yup, I should have gone there, but my wife's laptop does not have all my links. (Been far too busy with work lately...just barely able to keep up my moderator status here! ).

Indeed, the piping is internal.
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2011 - 05:01 AM UTC
Hi Olivier, thanks a lot for the drawing. I've already had this link but i haven't noticed

Glancing the pic, there's any pipe for the external drum barrels.
In yours opinion (Olivier and jacques) it is correct supposing that the external fuel drums was actually just transported by the tank?

Thanks in advance for the reply
bigmal
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2011 - 05:33 AM UTC
Thanks for the replies guys they were a great help

I will have to do more


Malcolm
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2011 - 05:49 AM UTC
Hello Mauro
Thank you for the links, they were VERY useful, some i had not seen before, they will help me a lot

Malcolm
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2011 - 06:38 AM UTC
I'm very glad to have helped you Malcolm
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Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 09:42 AM UTC
Ah yes, I guess we should have asked...fuel tanks on the fenders or on the rear. As for the rear, T-64's carried their fuel drums on TOP of the rear deck, not behind it as seen on T-72 and T-80 tanks. In this configuration, it seems that they would have a pump manually added as per the drawing way up above, and tehn pumped into the fender fuel tanks.
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Posted: Sunday, February 27, 2011 - 12:56 AM UTC
Thanks a lot Jacques
Now i wonder if I'll be able to find some pic of that pump
It could be interesting, in my opinion, try to do a diorama depicting the refuelling operation

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bigmal
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Posted: Monday, February 28, 2011 - 09:02 AM UTC
Hello all
Has any one noticed the unusual T64 in the link
http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1408
I think it is a T64A with up-armoured glacis, B type track skirts and fittings for ERA.

What would be the correct title for this version of the tank?

Over to you guys

Malcolm
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Posted: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 03:56 AM UTC
Mauro...what is shown in the drawing at the top of the thread is most likely what the pumps look like...motor casing with handle, and fuel line attachment to a spigot.

Malcolm - T-64AV(late)? T-64A's were upgraded as they came in for refurbishing, hence the added glacis plate armor. I am not sure that this is more than a one-off though...museum pieces can be dangerous for vehicle sub-variant ID. Anyone else?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 09:25 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Mauro...what is shown in the drawing at the top of the thread is most likely what the pumps look like...motor casing with handle, and fuel line attachment to a spigot.



...well actually you're right Jacques...drawing cold be enough

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Posted: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 03:49 AM UTC
Hi all!
The interesting T64 on dishmodels walkaround seems to be T-64AB model 1985. It has blocked rangfinder aperture and gunners prime sight is similar to T-64B. There are few nice photos from this version in Maksim Saenko´s excellent "Main Battle Tank T-64" . Thanks from the link!

Best regards, Sampo M