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'Under a Different Flag' Campaign (Captured)
Klinker
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2011 - 02:40 PM UTC
I signed up for the Art of the Battlefield (artillery) campaign to build a captured M3 which then got me thinking.....................

Captured equipment is something that has always taken place on the battlefields so....

Any Armour or soft-skinned vehicle captured and operated against its former owners...

lots to go on here...

... BeutePanzers so many! Red Army Panther tanks, King Tiger, Sd.Kfz's, etc... IDF captured/re-manufactured kit ... Allied use of Axis equipment, and even at a push ... Rhodesian T-55's, French post war Panthers!!!! the list is practically endless !

Timeline = 1914 till present day

Scale ... 1/72 through to 1/16

No "what if's" there's a Campaign for that about to begin.

Anybody interested?

vonHengest
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2011 - 02:54 PM UTC
Niiiiceeee... What are your thoughts on a start date and run time?
ltb073
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2011 - 03:07 PM UTC
"Niiiiceeee... What are your thoughts on a start date and run time?"


Same question here, I'm thinking KV Tank with German markings
Whiskey_1
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 12:21 AM UTC
Sounds lika a cool campaign, but could it be extended to any vehicle serving under the flag of a nation that was not responsible for its production? That way we could include italian armor captured by the germans. Not necessarily used against its former owners.
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Lebanon
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 12:31 AM UTC
I am definitely in!!! I made two captured vehicles last year. So many things we can build!!
Klinker
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 09:00 PM UTC
I was thinking of a 9 month run and starting in August but as were just beginning to get interest this could be flexible.
Klinker
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 09:08 PM UTC

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Sounds lika a cool campaign, but could it be extended to any vehicle serving under the flag of a nation that was not responsible for its production? That way we could include italian armor captured by the germans. Not necessarily used against its former owners.



Yes! didn't think of changing sides!!!??? as any captured Italian Armour would become a 'BeutePanzer' and so it would used against it's former owners new Allies!

Klinker
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 09:15 PM UTC
Founds some links to help inspire potential campaigners that might be lurking.....

German use of captured Tanks & Vehicles.....

http://beute.narod.ru/index.htm

http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/main.htm


Russian use of Axis Equipment......................

http://www.wio.ru/tank/capt/capt.htm


Allied use of Axis AFV and Tanks....................

http://www.ww2f.com/weapons-technology-wwii/22220-allied-use-captured-axis-afvs-tanks.html

Hope you all find these helpful and inspirational!
Klinker
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 09:19 PM UTC

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I am definitely in!!! I made two captured vehicles last year. So many things we can build!!



So true vladimir glad to have your support!
lespauljames
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 10:06 PM UTC
count me in sounds good
ianclasper
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Posted: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 06:57 AM UTC
The proposed campaign title also suggests "Lend -Lease"

British/French/Polish/Canadian etc Shermans
Russian/Canadian Churchills
Czech/Polish Comet
French M21 half track mortar carrier
Russian Studebaker US6

among many others

Ian

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Posted: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 09:01 PM UTC

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The proposed campaign title also suggests "Lend -Lease"

British/French/Polish/Canadian etc Shermans
Russian/Canadian Churchills
Czech/Polish Comet
French M21 half track mortar carrier
Russian Studebaker US6

among many others

Ian




Sorry Ian no 'Lend-Lease' as this campaign is for captured AFV etc, now fighting for the other side, hence.... 'Under a different Flag' I thought it would be great to see what people would do to Afv's, softskin's etc... modified (some) and painted differently to what we are used to!
but you could still built your.

Shermans (as 'BeutePanzers' ='Trophy Tanks') Firefly's and M4 or even recovery versions with their turrets removed!

Churchill's as used after capture at Diepe and Kursk etc.

How about the Hetzers and Panthers etc used by the Poles in the Warsaw uprising? there's a picture somewhere of a Hetzer used as a blockade/road block which would make a cool diorama!

M3's captured in Tunisia, Europe and Eastern front.

Studebaker US6 captured on Russian front check these out...
http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/us/truck/us-6-studebaker.htm

Hope that clears things up and I hope you join in with us with one of the vehicles mentioned.

Regards Duncan.
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Lebanon
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Posted: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 11:03 PM UTC
Hi again,

Thought this might be of some interest:
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/galleries/axiscaptured/axiscaptured_tanks_img.htm

Most of the pictures are of captured German vehicles under Russian rule.
windysean
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 01:07 AM UTC
Count me in! I can't resist.
I was initially worried about your no "what-ifs" rule, but checking Google Images, I saw plenty of material as far as Schwimmwagens in American, British, and Canadian service, and American and Russian Jeeps in German use. (The real trick is making rough, hand-painted markings on the prototype look realistic in miniature.)
I saw a photo a month ago or so, of a Kraftrad (whatever that tracked motorcycle is called) in the service of a US Army medic, with blue flags with a white star draped over it for ID.
Also, consider US-made rockets and weapons supplied to "Afghanistan rebels" in the 1980's to fight off the Soviets, that were later used by the Taliban (same rebels?) against American units. No heavy equipment, I guess though.
Anyway, I'll definitely have something for this one.
-Sean.
GaryKato
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 01:58 AM UTC
Japanese use of M3 Stuarts as well.
Thivi11
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 02:20 AM UTC
I'd be interested, haven't done a campaign yet but I've been looking for one to jump all over, and I just ordered a BeutePanzer and an M3 yesterday!

Count me in
ianclasper
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 04:43 PM UTC
I think that the title for the campaign does not match the proposed content and is too general. Something including either "War Prize" or "Trophy" etc would be far better match to the true campaign subject.

That said, I am interested in doing either a NKPA BA-64 in US Army markings or an ex NKPA SU76M in Republic of Korea markings

Ian


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Sorry Ian no 'Lend-Lease' as this campaign is for captured AFV etc, now fighting for the other side, hence.... 'Under a different Flag' I thought it would be great to see what people would do to Afv's, softskin's etc... modified (some) and painted differently to what we are used to!
but you could still built your.

Shermans (as 'BeutePanzers' ='Trophy Tanks') Firefly's and M4 or even recovery versions with their turrets removed!

Churchill's as used after capture at Diepe and Kursk etc.

How about the Hetzers and Panthers etc used by the Poles in the Warsaw uprising? there's a picture somewhere of a Hetzer used as a blockade/road block which would make a cool diorama!

M3's captured in Tunisia, Europe and Eastern front.

Studebaker US6 captured on Russian front check these out...
http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/us/truck/us-6-studebaker.htm

Hope that clears things up and I hope you join in with us with one of the vehicles mentioned.

Regards Duncan.

Firefly74
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 04:45 PM UTC
Nice campaign idea. I'm in. Plenty of subjects to choose from!
I'll be building something in Braille scale, think i have just the thing in my stash already
Tim
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 05:22 PM UTC
I like the ROOS on the captured M13/40s in the desert. Im in.

Bob
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 01:01 AM UTC

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Japanese use of M3 Stuarts as well.


Were they sold to them in the 1930's, or were they captured in the Philipines and elsewhere early on?
-Sean.
vonHengest
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 02:07 AM UTC

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Japanese use of M3 Stuarts as well.


Were they sold to them in the 1930's, or were they captured in the Philipines and elsewhere early on?
-Sean.


I don't think it would be a problem either way as they would have been used against the Allies regardless of how they were acquired. Japanese acquisition of Allied tanks is down my road of interest, and I wouldn't mind taking on this particular project at all
windysean
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 02:48 AM UTC

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Were they sold to them in the 1930's, or were they captured in the Philipines and elsewhere early on?
-Sean.
I don't think it would be a problem either way as they would have been used against the Allies regardless of how they were acquired. Japanese acquisition of Allied tanks is down my road of interest, and I wouldn't mind taking on this particular project at all


I totally agree it's interesting and a good subject for this build. Just curious how they came to be in Japanese hands.

P.S.: Google just revealed to me that Academy's kit contains a decal option for just such a Japanese trophy Stuart. That's AWFULLY handy.
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 05:00 AM UTC
i have an idea for a project that would fit right in with this campaign suggestion so you can count me in if it is not too soon in the running as there are quite a few campaigns ongoing. cheers, bd.
vonHengest
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 06:04 AM UTC

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Were they sold to them in the 1930's, or were they captured in the Philipines and elsewhere early on?
-Sean.
I don't think it would be a problem either way as they would have been used against the Allies regardless of how they were acquired. Japanese acquisition of Allied tanks is down my road of interest, and I wouldn't mind taking on this particular project at all


I totally agree it's interesting and a good subject for this build. Just curious how they came to be in Japanese hands.

P.S.: Google just revealed to me that Academy's kit contains a decal option for just such a Japanese trophy Stuart. That's AWFULLY handy.



Awesome Sean, that's perfect! And that answers our question about the Philippines

Bruce: Can't wait to see what you have in the works!
Duncan had suggested starting in August 2011 and running for 9 months.
Klinker
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 11:09 PM UTC
Didn't know about the Japanese Stuarts? but what a great choice! plus a lot of really good ideas for other projects too can't wait to see them.

As we seem to be getting more folks interested. The dates I have suggested starting 1st August 2011 to run till 30th May 2012. Is this ok with everybody or does this require some tweaking?