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Cold War MBT Campaign
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 06:24 AM UTC
Hi there,
because I´m still new to this game here´s another stupid question:
do you have to say it when you sign up first?
I have observed this strange phenomenon a couple of times, and I´m not sure how to react to it.
If you do this, does it mean you have just paid for
the next round ?
Paul
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 09:03 AM UTC
I don't know about that Paul.
I just hope everyone get their builds done in time and enjoys it ...
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Posted: Monday, June 11, 2012 - 09:20 AM UTC
Hi Guys,

After a busy few days away just back & noticed finally been approved so me & my T55 are all enlisted

Cheers Mike
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Posted: Monday, June 11, 2012 - 09:30 AM UTC
Now that I have cleared up a few things I want to build either the T-72B with EDZ or the Type 61 for this Campaign!








~ Jeff
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Posted: Monday, June 11, 2012 - 11:27 AM UTC
Are you sure Jeff ?
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Posted: Monday, June 11, 2012 - 02:02 PM UTC

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Are you sure Jeff ?




It's always good to have options than to make your bed too early.









~ Jeff
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Posted: Monday, June 11, 2012 - 02:38 PM UTC
Be prepared... you never know !
Making your bed too early with a redhead or a blonde isn't the same thing ...

What will you pick for the T-72, Tamyia or Zvezda ?
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Posted: Monday, June 11, 2012 - 03:26 PM UTC
No picking, I already have it, it's the Revell kit.

Some say it's a dog and cannot be fixed or corrected and I respect that. But it's just a model that needs to be built and without measuring and eyeballing it it'll look like a T-72 to me.

A few years ago there was that conflict in Georgia and Russia? Think I may pull out one of those pics and paint it from that conflict ... WITH the EDZ too!



So, that's the scoop. Beds made and passed the quarter test too!








~ Jeff
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Posted: Monday, June 11, 2012 - 04:04 PM UTC

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No picking, I already have it, it's the Revell kit.

Some say it's a dog and cannot be fixed or corrected and I respect that. But it's just a model that needs to be built and without measuring and eyeballing it it'll look like a T-72 to me.

A few years ago there was that conflict in Georgia and Russia? Think I may pull out one of those pics and paint it from that conflict ... WITH the EDZ too!



So, that's the scoop. Beds made and passed the quarter test too!








~ Jeff



Jeff the cold war finished well before the Georgian crisis. The soviet union hasn't been around for a while now
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Posted: Monday, June 11, 2012 - 10:40 PM UTC

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No picking, I already have it, it's the Revell kit.

Some say it's a dog and cannot be fixed or corrected and I respect that. But it's just a model that needs to be built and without measuring and eyeballing it it'll look like a T-72 to me.

A few years ago there was that conflict in Georgia and Russia? Think I may pull out one of those pics and paint it from that conflict ... WITH the EDZ too!



So, that's the scoop. Beds made and passed the quarter test too!








~ Jeff



Jeff the cold war finished well before the Georgian crisis. The soviet union hasn't been around for a while now







I don't understand the statement? I didn't mention the soviet union, so it's correct to call the Nation Russia now, correct?


Cold war, warm war ... who cares it's the tank that we are looking for, not when it was used.

Or am I wrong? John? A ruling here?








~ Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 01:05 AM UTC

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Hi John, like I said before I mainly stick to WW II stuff so would this qualify here

http://www.scalehobbyist.com/product.php?sn=/CHC00009124

I dont have it in the stash yet, it would have to be ordered so if it dont that no problem, I would just have to look some more


Thanks to Yugoslavia, France, North Korea, Syria and Israel quite a few WWII vehicles will qualify since they where used well into the 1950s/60s (Panther, Panzer IV, T34/85, various Ronsons)
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 01:31 AM UTC

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Are you sure Jeff ?




It's always good to have options than to make your bed too early.

count me in for any one of 3 abrams varients, either M1, IPM1 or M1A1







~ Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 05:23 AM UTC
Guys.... the Cold War MBT Campaign has a quite simple guideline
"Main Battle Tanks used by any country during these years", I'm quoting myself..

So the T-72 was used during the cold war... yes.
Georgian conflict.... no.
Jeff, there is no problem using that kit since it was used during the Cold War period, with Soviet markings or any country that used T-72's.

Also

Quoted Text

Hi John, like I said before I mainly stick to WW II stuff so would this qualify here

http://www.scalehobbyist.com/product.php?sn=/CHC00009124

I dont have it in the stash yet, it would have to be ordered so if it dont that no problem, I would just have to look some more
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That version is not considered a Main Battle Tank, it's a flamethrower version...




Not clear about all the sources but:
Combat History
1979-1989 Soviet War in Afghanistan (Russia)
1980–1988 Iran–Iraq War (Iraq) (Iran)
1982 Lebanon (Syria)
1983– Sri Lankan Civil War (India)
1986-1989 South African Border War (Cuba)
1988–1994 Nagorno-Karabakh War (Armenia and Azerbaijan)
1988–1993 Georgian Civil War
1991–1992 War in South Ossetia
1992–1993 War in Abkhazia
1990–1991 First Persian Gulf War (Iraq, Kuwait)
1990–2002 Sierra Leone Civil War (Executive Outcomes)
1991–2001 Yugoslav Wars (Yugoslavia)
1991 Ten-Day War (Yugoslavia)
1991–1995 Croatian War of Independence (Yugoslavia, Krajina Serbs, Croatia and Republika Srpska)
1998 Kosovo (Yugoslavia)
2001 2001 Macedonia conflict (Macedonia)
1994 Rwanda Civil War (Uganda)
1994–1996 First Chechen War (Russia, Chechnya (limited))
1999– Second Chechen War (Russia)
2001 Western Sahara War (Morocco)
2003 Invasion of Iraq (Iraq)
2008 War in South Ossetia (Russia and Georgia)
2011 2011 Libyan civil war (Gaddafi Government and Anti-Gaddafi forces)
2012 Syrian Uprising - Government forces using T-72 tanks

After 1991... not for this campaign.

Operators:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-72_operators_and_variants.

It's quite simple, don't use a variant & operator & conflict after 1991.

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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 06:01 AM UTC
So, T-72's weren't used during that time period John?

I'm not a Historian just thought there was some interesting paint schemes going on there.

"During the fighting, three Georgian T-72 tanks destroyed several Russian BMP-2 vehicles, and Russian forces returned fire, disabling one tank and forcing the other two back"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war

So what is this?



And in Military equipment it says there were 80 T-72's used?

And I'm sure the Gergians used the T-72's with EDZ or ERA?

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/georgia-south-ossetia-russia-conflict-update-august-12-2008.htm

Oh and this Georgian T-72BV




Bummer I can't use it for this time period.








~ Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 06:27 AM UTC
How did I not see this? I am so in
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 08:24 AM UTC

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Guys.... the Cold War MBT Campaign has a quite simple guideline
"Main Battle Tanks used by any country during these years", I'm quoting myself..

That version is not considered a Main Battle Tank, it's a flamethrower version...



Ok John, no problem I can get something else But I was also just wondering what about the E-series of Panzers that would have been MBT had the 3rd Reich continued Again just wondering I haven't ordered anything yet
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 09:01 AM UTC
Jeff,
Yes they were used, what I ment was, you can use a T-72 for this campaign but not in Russian federation colours or any other configuration post-1991.

Any MBT, any country, any conflict between 1947 and 1991.

You can use a T-72 with ERA but in Soviet or East-Germany colours, not Georgian and not Russian(after 1991)
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 09:36 AM UTC

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Jeff,
Yes they were used, what I ment was, you can use a T-72 for this campaign but not in Russian federation colours or any other configuration post-1991.

Any MBT, any country, any conflict between 1947 and 1991.

You can use a T-72 with ERA but in Soviet or East-Germany colours, not Georgian and not Russian(after 1991)









Oh, I see ... RATTS!! '47 to '91? Should be in the title as I thought it meant ANY era Cold War Tank used in any Theater of Operation.

Ratts. Guess I gotta look into the instructions/directions and see what they suggest.








~ Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 09:39 AM UTC
Hi John,

Just a quick question I would have thought as long as the vehicle was made during the cold war years & not a post 1991 production anything could be used?? In any conflict, Even stuff in the Nam?

I am doing Libya so won't effect me just curious after Jeff (panther f) post.

Cheers Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 09:47 AM UTC
Hi John,

Ok now I am a little confused you have listed a whole lot of conflicts were cold war era built mbts were used, half of them being after 1991 but then say we can't do any conflict after 1991?

As i was wanting to do a libyan conflict T55 that would then count me out of this campaign, which is a pity.Oh well I will just pop in from time to time & see how its going.

Good Luck to all

Cheers Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 10:12 AM UTC
I stand corrected and it won't be a problem.









~ Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 04:43 PM UTC
@Jeremy

Great to see you around !

@Jeff
The 1947-1991 stand for the Cold War years.
USSR was dissolved along with Warsaw Pact, so no more Cold War.

@Mike
Yes, any MBT (Main Battle Tanks), Vietnam too.
No APC's, trucks, recovery tanks, flamethrower tanks.
Just MBT's.

I posted a list of conflicts where T-72's were used, sorry I didn't mentioned it before. That's not a Cold War conflict list.
You can do a lybian T-55, they were used during the Cold War period,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-54/55_operators_and_variants

but not with rebel-lybian forces
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 05:15 PM UTC
Hi John,

Thanks for clearing that up but still counts me out as I was going to do one captured / modified /used by the rebels & can't confirm if them or Gaddaffi did the changes.

Never know i may do the AFV Club Duster instead or maybe propose a differnt campaign in the future.

Cheers Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 05:37 PM UTC
Mike, I'm not sure a Duster would be allowed. It's not a MBT.

John, Sort of a clarification. Do you consider Desert Storm/Shield to be the end of the Cold War to be the end of the Cold War or the start of the start of the post-Cold War era?

I don't have any plans of doing a Desert Shield/Storm MBT but I do have an idea set about that time. Just kind of kicking around some ideas.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 05:45 PM UTC
Hi Alex,

Yeah you are right I thought of that after I posted it lol

So I may just do a propose a different campaign instead for the future.

Ta Mike
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