Hi Gang,
one interesting side aspect of our hobby is the use of Tanks and AFV in movies and TV shows. We all know that German tanks of WWII are a rare breed and the movie maker have to look for fake tanks. I remember the Leopard 1 as Panther in "A Bridge too far" or the "Tiger/T-34" from "Kelly`s Heroes". After watching "Defiance" staring Daniel Craig, I still wonder which tank they have used for the Panzer III. Probably something from Russia. Anyone can shed a light on this?
Maybe this could be an idea for a future campaign?
TIA
Hans-Hermann
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Use of Converted/Disguised Tanks in Movies?
HermannB
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 06:57 AM UTC
arpikaszabo
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 07:17 AM UTC
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This vehicle is notable for being one of two Swiss Panzer 61 based "Panzer III" film prop conversions carried out for the 2001 film "Enemy at the Gates." At least one of these Pz.61 "Pz.IIIs" also made an appearance in "All the Queen's Men" (2001) and "The Pianist" (2002). The Swiss Pz. 61 or 68 makes for a decent, yet oversized Pz.III surrogate, but based on the side profile of the Pz.61 "Pz.III" the following photo
source http://filmpanzer.squarespace.com/journal/2009/1/4/defiance.html
AgentG
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 08:53 AM UTC
I just got photos of a Aussie Centurian modified to look like an M1A1 in "Courage Under Fire". I found it in a museum/boneyard just outside Kenosha Wisconsin. Pics soon.
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mless24
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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 04:02 PM UTC
In the film "Patton", they used M47 Pattons to look like unnamed German tanks in the North African scenes.
der_leutnant
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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 04:28 PM UTC
same thing in the battle of the bulge (movie), they used M47 Pattons with balkenkreuz painted on the sides to mimic king tigers.
HipKitty
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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 04:31 PM UTC
Rouse713
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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 04:45 PM UTC
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Maybe this could be an idea for a future campaign?
TIA
Hans-Hermann
That is a really good idea for a campaign! You could include the Tiger from Saving Private Ryan also.
I would not join you in the campaign because I am a party pooper. I liked those movies, but I am too much of a stickler for accuracy and as I get older and more knowledgeable about the subjects, I can't look past the substitutions. Building models to mimic movie errors WOULD NOT COMPUTE and I think my brain might blow up!
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 04:53 PM UTC
What about this one ?
Related thread :
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/86450
Hulk Abrams (based on a Chieftain) :
Talking about fake Abrams tanks, there are a few pics of those in Courage Under Fire here :
http://www.imfdb.org/w/Courage_Under_Fire
HTH
Frenchy
Related thread :
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/86450
Hulk Abrams (based on a Chieftain) :
Talking about fake Abrams tanks, there are a few pics of those in Courage Under Fire here :
http://www.imfdb.org/w/Courage_Under_Fire
HTH
Frenchy
gremlinz
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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 05:13 PM UTC
We've come a long way since the old Battle of The Bulge type movies, THIS is one of several replicas built by WETA for "Panzer 88" ( sorry, never could work out how to imbed videos here ).
They also built a replica Mk.IV for the film Warhorse.
They also built a replica Mk.IV for the film Warhorse.
AFVFan
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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 05:48 PM UTC
Not to start a major debate here, but your logic does not compute. How is building a model of an existing vehicle (a movie tank) differ from building a model of an existing vehicle (an original)? In both cases you are accurately trying to replicate a real item.
It's actually funny that this subject came up. The guy at the local hobby store recently talked me into trying to build one of the "Kelly's Heroes" Tigers. We're in process of information gathering now. I don't know if I'd join a group build with it though, as it's a "back-burner" project for me.
It's actually funny that this subject came up. The guy at the local hobby store recently talked me into trying to build one of the "Kelly's Heroes" Tigers. We're in process of information gathering now. I don't know if I'd join a group build with it though, as it's a "back-burner" project for me.
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Maybe this could be an idea for a future campaign?
TIA
Hans-Hermann
That is a really good idea for a campaign! You could include the Tiger from Saving Private Ryan also.
I would not join you in the campaign because I am a party pooper. I liked those movies, but I am too much of a stickler for accuracy and as I get older and more knowledgeable about the subjects, I can't look past the substitutions. Building models to mimic movie errors WOULD NOT COMPUTE and I think my brain might blow up!
Rouse713
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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 06:38 PM UTC
Oh hey, to clarify again, I think this is a great idea! I know a lot would participate. It's a pretty fun topic.
It does make sense to build an accurate model of a movie prop. However, I don't have enough time to build models of the vehicles I like, let alone movie replica's of those vehicles. The thought of taking a T-34, a tiger, and some spare styrene and kitbashing the Saving Private Ryan tiger in 1/35 makes my brain feel like:
While it does make sense, it is kind of funny you know? Building an accurate model of an inaccurate model (the 1:1 movie prop). Maybe its just me.
It does make sense to build an accurate model of a movie prop. However, I don't have enough time to build models of the vehicles I like, let alone movie replica's of those vehicles. The thought of taking a T-34, a tiger, and some spare styrene and kitbashing the Saving Private Ryan tiger in 1/35 makes my brain feel like:
While it does make sense, it is kind of funny you know? Building an accurate model of an inaccurate model (the 1:1 movie prop). Maybe its just me.
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 07:28 PM UTC
There's a 24-page long thread about "German" movie tanks here :
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52251
and a movie prop armor-dedicated blog here :
http://filmpanzer.squarespace.com/
In case you need some 1:1 ones (for whatever reasons
) :
http://armytrucksinc.com/armored-vehicles/
http://www.melodyranchstudio.com/VAR/tanks.htm
Frenchy
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52251
and a movie prop armor-dedicated blog here :
http://filmpanzer.squarespace.com/
In case you need some 1:1 ones (for whatever reasons
) :http://armytrucksinc.com/armored-vehicles/
http://www.melodyranchstudio.com/VAR/tanks.htm
Frenchy
Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 06:25 PM UTC
Chinese war movie armor :
Frenchy
Frenchy
HermannB
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Posted: Friday, June 22, 2012 - 12:12 AM UTC
Hi Frenchy,
a previously unknown airdroppabla/lightweight version of the M26 Pershing?
Good find!
Hans-Hermann
a previously unknown airdroppabla/lightweight version of the M26 Pershing?
Good find!
Hans-Hermann
retiredyank
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Posted: Friday, June 22, 2012 - 12:44 AM UTC
In Tobruk they used Pattons to represent German tanks.
afv_rob
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Posted: Friday, June 22, 2012 - 02:31 AM UTC
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Chinese war movie armor :
Frenchy
These are from the film 'Assembly', well worth watching!
Tojo72
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Posted: Friday, June 22, 2012 - 08:01 AM UTC
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same thing in the battle of the bulge (movie), they used M47 Pattons with balkenkreuz painted on the sides to mimic king tigers.
I had fun with this one a couple of years ago,Revell's M-47,Verlinden Figure,Archer Dry Trnsfers:
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, June 22, 2012 - 09:10 AM UTC
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These are from the film 'Assembly', well worth watching!
Youtube videos (with a few "Pattons" inside
)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULCVS54DoXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULCVS54DoXA
Frenchy
ALBOWIE
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Posted: Friday, June 22, 2012 - 04:38 PM UTC
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In Tobruk they used Pattons to represent German tanks.
In the original Rats of Tobruk they used the Australian Sentinel Tanks.
There is an interesting British wartime film with Valentines playing the role of German tanks in a major exercise. They look fetching with WW1 style Balkenkruez on the turret.
Al
gremlinz
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Posted: Friday, June 22, 2012 - 10:31 PM UTC
How about this one then ? From the Russian movie "Belyy Tigr" which was released a couple of months ago.
Photo has been reversed for some reason, here's a couple showing it as left hand drive :
Photo has been reversed for some reason, here's a couple showing it as left hand drive :
russamotto
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Posted: Saturday, June 23, 2012 - 12:31 PM UTC
What were the tanks used in "The Brest Fortress"?
Not tanks, but I remember the M3 halftracks in "The Rat Patrol".
Not tanks, but I remember the M3 halftracks in "The Rat Patrol".
AgentG
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Posted: Saturday, June 23, 2012 - 12:44 PM UTC
Russ they used M3 Half tracks and M7 GMC's in Rat Patrol. I apparently did not get a pic of the Centurian/M1A1 specifically. Give me a minute to up load the pics I did get, it's in the background.
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AgentG
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Posted: Saturday, June 23, 2012 - 01:07 PM UTC
I checked and this is the only shot woth the modded Centurian. You can see the turret in the background. Why I didn't take more pics of that I do not know.
I will say that I actually leaned on the thing and found all the mods are made from about 1/4 inch sheet metal, welded together. Welds were dressed rather well where they would be visible on camera.
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I will say that I actually leaned on the thing and found all the mods are made from about 1/4 inch sheet metal, welded together. Welds were dressed rather well where they would be visible on camera.
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