Jeff,
Have you tried messaging him? he may not be getting notified of the posts.
Cheers Rob.
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Wurf & Friends :: Rocket Weapons in WWII
Dragon164
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Posted: Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 10:56 AM UTC
PantherF
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Posted: Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 11:49 AM UTC
Will do. I just thought he was a regular here in the Campaign area.
Jeff
Jeff
panzerbob01
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Posted: Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 01:20 PM UTC
Jeff;
By all means, If you are ready and willing, please take this up!
Alas, I am more than a little bogged-down in lots of stuff domestic and professional - I'm trying to rebuild my future retirement home via "distant control" (ca 1900 miles away
) and trying to wrap my last projects before I retire sometime in the next several months and trying to get stuff ready to sell my current house and.... yeah. LOTS of "alligators" in my pond! 
That and trying to get builds done and complete at least a couple campaigns and prep for the local club show in 3 months and... argh!
But no excuses! Let's get this wurf biz off the rails! I'll certainly try to get a build in - I have several options and hope to play!
Thanks for being interested in taking it up. Cheers!
Bob
By all means, If you are ready and willing, please take this up!
Alas, I am more than a little bogged-down in lots of stuff domestic and professional - I'm trying to rebuild my future retirement home via "distant control" (ca 1900 miles away
) and trying to wrap my last projects before I retire sometime in the next several months and trying to get stuff ready to sell my current house and.... yeah. LOTS of "alligators" in my pond! That and trying to get builds done and complete at least a couple campaigns and prep for the local club show in 3 months and... argh!
But no excuses! Let's get this wurf biz off the rails! I'll certainly try to get a build in - I have several options and hope to play!
Thanks for being interested in taking it up. Cheers!
Bob
PantherF
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Posted: Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 11:27 PM UTC
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This is all new to me - I've never tried to start up a campaign before, so... just gently kick me when I misstep!
Bob
Okay Bob, will do. I did think about kicking you (that would have been fun) but Rob (Dragon164) thought I should PM you instead. Ratts!
So I'll scrap this together and submit it.
Jeff
PantherF
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Posted: Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 11:51 PM UTC
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Jeff thanks for taking this up. Bob, no disrespect to you, I just thought of bumping this neat idea of yours and get the candle lit!
I have a beute Hotchkiss with rockets on the side, and a couple of candidates from the stash too.
Cheers
Okay everyone, I just submitted this one so look out for it.
John is on top of things so expect it very soon.And also, I changed NOTHING from the original proposal... AND, even the starting scale is the same so I hope everyone is happy.
Although it is similar to my other Campaign (Rail Guns and Howitzers Campaign) they do not cross-over. Well, except that the Sturmtiger/Sturmmorser 38CM can be used in either Campaign.Jeff
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 01:14 AM UTC
panzerbob01
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 01:54 AM UTC
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Quoted TextJeff thanks for taking this up. Bob, no disrespect to you, I just thought of bumping this neat idea of yours and get the candle lit!
I have a beute Hotchkiss with rockets on the side, and a couple of candidates from the stash too.
Cheers
Okay everyone, I just submitted this one so look out for it.
And also, I changed NOTHING from the original proposal... AND, even the starting scale is the same so I hope everyone is happy.
Jeff
Thanks for taking it up and jumping off with it! I am sure that you will carry the, er, rockets, well!
About that SturmTiger... It really does belong in the Wurf and NOT in any guns or howitzers! To be clear, that SturmTiger had a breach-fed rocket-mortar (racketen-werfer RW-61) which used a self-propelled rocket-shell. I would suggest that it not be a candidate in your RR guns and howies campaign, as it bears little in common with what else seems appropriate there!
Seeing as I have the Tamiya kit sitting out on a stack... That might be my entry in the Wurfs...
Bob
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 03:07 AM UTC
Good to see this one take off and get off the ground. I'll probably do a Sturmtiger or a Brummbar. I've never built Stirmtiger and my current Brummy is the old, tired Tamiya offering. This is as good a time as any to add either to the collection.
What about a TOW launch vehicle? Or is that really stressing the spirit of the campaign?
What about a TOW launch vehicle? Or is that really stressing the spirit of the campaign?
panzerbob01
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 04:51 AM UTC
Alex;
For WURF - a TOW unit is EXACTLY right on! It's a rocket weapon - and, heck, just as much a "wurf" as the original wurframen mounted on an SdKfz 251 or such.
From when I started this one up way back when... the intent was to "capture" rockets being used on (from) land vehicles - this would reasonably include both bombardment rockets used as "field fire" - the original wurframen and nebelwerfers and similar items such as land-mattress and the Caliope rockets on Shermans, and anti-tank missiles such as the Sagger and TOW. So you should be right in things with a TOW mount!
Of course, if you have some itch to do a SturmTiger... that one counts just as well - an enormous rocket launcher "mortar" on a huge honkin' chassis! Bring one on (I'm thinking of doing one, myself)!
The Brummie does NOT, however, count HERE - Brummie (Sturmpanzer IV "StuPa")- a 15cm sIG33 mounted on a Pz IV chassis, was a true armored building-buster gun and not any sort of rocket weapon.
Cheers!
Bob
For WURF - a TOW unit is EXACTLY right on! It's a rocket weapon - and, heck, just as much a "wurf" as the original wurframen mounted on an SdKfz 251 or such.
From when I started this one up way back when... the intent was to "capture" rockets being used on (from) land vehicles - this would reasonably include both bombardment rockets used as "field fire" - the original wurframen and nebelwerfers and similar items such as land-mattress and the Caliope rockets on Shermans, and anti-tank missiles such as the Sagger and TOW. So you should be right in things with a TOW mount!
Of course, if you have some itch to do a SturmTiger... that one counts just as well - an enormous rocket launcher "mortar" on a huge honkin' chassis! Bring one on (I'm thinking of doing one, myself)!
The Brummie does NOT, however, count HERE - Brummie (Sturmpanzer IV "StuPa")- a 15cm sIG33 mounted on a Pz IV chassis, was a true armored building-buster gun and not any sort of rocket weapon.
Cheers!
Bob
kruppw
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 05:33 AM UTC
How about this bad boy, it was captured by Iran during the Iran Iraq war.
PantherF
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 06:23 AM UTC
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How about this bad boy, it was captured by Iran during the Iran Iraq war.
You are good to go there Chris!
Jeff
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 06:58 AM UTC
Cool, I have a couple my ideas I'm tossing around at the moment, trying to figure which one would be the coolest and easiest to build.
All taken in Afghanistan
All taken in Afghanistan
Giovanni1508
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Posted: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 - 02:58 AM UTC
Hi guys,
Understood this campaign project was frozen for a while, then recently restarted ! Good ! I enlisted today. Intention to partecipate with classic 1/35 "Stuka zu Fuss".
Keep in touch !
PantherF
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Posted: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 - 05:49 AM UTC
Well good and a very good choice too.
I'm sure all will have a great time with it!
Jeff
I'm sure all will have a great time with it!
Jeff
Bluestab
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Posted: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 - 10:54 AM UTC
Thanks Bob. I might go with the TOW launcher as a backup plan.
rolltide31
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2014 - 12:03 AM UTC
Hi guys, I just enlisted for this campaign and also intend to build the classic Tamiya 1/35 Stuka Zu Fuss. Will this forum line be the official campaign forum?
Dave
Dave
rolltide31
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2014 - 05:38 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Alex;
For WURF - a TOW unit is EXACTLY right on! It's a rocket weapon - and, heck, just as much a "wurf" as the original wurframen mounted on an SdKfz 251 or such.
From when I started this one up way back when... the intent was to "capture" rockets being used on (from) land vehicles - this would reasonably include both bombardment rockets used as "field fire" - the original wurframen and nebelwerfers and similar items such as land-mattress and the Caliope rockets on Shermans, and anti-tank missiles such as the Sagger and TOW. So you should be right in things with a TOW mount!
Of course, if you have some itch to do a SturmTiger... that one counts just as well - an enormous rocket launcher "mortar" on a huge honkin' chassis! Bring one on (I'm thinking of doing one, myself)!
The Brummie does NOT, however, count HERE - Brummie (Sturmpanzer IV "StuPa")- a 15cm sIG33 mounted on a Pz IV chassis, was a true armored building-buster gun and not any sort of rocket weapon.
Cheers!
Bob
gentlemen I have a question, TOWs and SAGGERs are actually guided missiles, not rockets. Are guided missiles also included in the approved category? If so I might change my planned build.
thanks
Dave
Bluestab
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2014 - 06:40 AM UTC
Dave,
Remember the name of the campaign is Wurf and friends...so I guess the missile is a friend. It's probably best to ask just to be safe. Since the TOW is guided by the user, I'm assuming it's in because it is a "friend." A missile is basically a guided rocket...the TOW uses a rocket engine.
According to the White Sands site...
One of the most asked questions is, "What is the difference between a rocket and a missile?" Range employees usually simplify the discussion by saying a missile has a guidance system or brain to get it to its destination and a rocket just goes where it is initially pointed.
The guidance system can be fairly simple like the infrared seeker on the small, shoulder-fired, Stinger missile. The missile detects the heat emitted in the exhaust of a jet and guides itself to the hottest spot - right up the tailpipe.
A rocket, on the other hand, like the Black Brant goes straight up in the air carrying scientific payloads for NASA and others. It is fired out of a tower or from a rail, both of which can be tilted to compensate for wind conditions so the rocket flies fairly straight and stays on the missile range.
http://www.wsmr.army.mil/PAO/wuaws/Pages/Rocketsandmissiles.aspx
By that definition a Copperhead artillery shell would be re-classed as an artillery fired missile.
Remember the name of the campaign is Wurf and friends...so I guess the missile is a friend. It's probably best to ask just to be safe. Since the TOW is guided by the user, I'm assuming it's in because it is a "friend." A missile is basically a guided rocket...the TOW uses a rocket engine.
According to the White Sands site...
One of the most asked questions is, "What is the difference between a rocket and a missile?" Range employees usually simplify the discussion by saying a missile has a guidance system or brain to get it to its destination and a rocket just goes where it is initially pointed.
The guidance system can be fairly simple like the infrared seeker on the small, shoulder-fired, Stinger missile. The missile detects the heat emitted in the exhaust of a jet and guides itself to the hottest spot - right up the tailpipe.
A rocket, on the other hand, like the Black Brant goes straight up in the air carrying scientific payloads for NASA and others. It is fired out of a tower or from a rail, both of which can be tilted to compensate for wind conditions so the rocket flies fairly straight and stays on the missile range.
http://www.wsmr.army.mil/PAO/wuaws/Pages/Rocketsandmissiles.aspx
By that definition a Copperhead artillery shell would be re-classed as an artillery fired missile.
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2014 - 07:39 AM UTC
Yes Dave on both questions but remember, it must be from WWII. Not too many of those back then and it must be a REAL vehicle/weapon... no Paper Panzer type weapons.
And I am running this Campaign so feel free to ask me any questions.
Jeff
And I am running this Campaign so feel free to ask me any questions.
Jeff
rolltide31
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2014 - 08:54 AM UTC
Jeff / Alex,
Thanks for the reply. Think I will stick with the Stuka Zu Fuss.
Looking forward to the campaign.
Dave
Thanks for the reply. Think I will stick with the Stuka Zu Fuss.
Looking forward to the campaign.
Dave
Bluestab
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2014 - 10:16 AM UTC
Sorry Jeff but I didn't see where you had taken the reigns. I also didn't see the change to WW2. I think I'll bow out of this one...at least to see how things shape up closer to December. I was leaning towards something from the Cold War as I am trying to move away from WW2German subjects. But we'll see how things sit around November.
PantherF
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2014 - 11:35 AM UTC
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Sorry Jeff but I didn't see where you had taken the reigns. I also didn't see the change to WW2. I think I'll bow out of this one...at least to see how things shape up closer to December. I was leaning towards something from the Cold War as I am trying to move away from WW2German subjects. But we'll see how things sit around November.
Alex, the only change was me picking it up. There has been NO change as to what era it belongs in as the title has all along said WWII.
Since you didn't "see" both, maybe an appointment to the eye doctor is in store for you in the near future?
Jeff
Bluestab
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2014 - 01:18 PM UTC
Jeff, you yourself said you wanted to build the Dragon Scud launcher. Rob (I believed) said he was interested in doing a MLRS.
And Christopher posted those wonderful Rocket Tanks after the campaign was approved...and you told him he was good to go there. I assumed that the time-frame had been opened up past WW2 to attract more people.
That's the reason I asked about the TOW. Bob never said "no" to the TOW...he actually said it fit perfectly. And you, as the new campaign leader never chimed in on it either.
Anyway, it doesn't matter because I have un-enlisted and probably won't be participating.
And Christopher posted those wonderful Rocket Tanks after the campaign was approved...and you told him he was good to go there. I assumed that the time-frame had been opened up past WW2 to attract more people.
That's the reason I asked about the TOW. Bob never said "no" to the TOW...he actually said it fit perfectly. And you, as the new campaign leader never chimed in on it either.
Anyway, it doesn't matter because I have un-enlisted and probably won't be participating.
PantherF
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2014 - 11:15 PM UTC
I DID want to use the MAZ/Scud but realized it wouldn't fit. I'm not even entered in this Campaign.
I DID include those 'other weapons' but excluded you Alex. It was a simple mistake.
So PLEASE come back and play with us! Will it be half-started too?
Jeff
I DID include those 'other weapons' but excluded you Alex. It was a simple mistake.
So PLEASE come back and play with us!
Will it be half-started too? Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 - 03:30 AM UTC
No need to get snarky over it Jeff. This isn't about partially started kits so I'm not sure why that was even brought up. But since you brought it up, I was going to suggest you finish that rocket launcher truck you didn't finish for your Truck Campaign.
As mentioned, I missed/overlooked the change of leadership amid the back and forth posting. And I assumed that the timeline had been opened up because of the references to post-war vehicles. You know as well as anyone that people ask a lot of questions during the buildup to a campaign.
Me stepping away has little to do with feelings hurt or whatever. I've posted elsewhere that I am scaling back on my campaigns in favor of other projects.
For this one, I had decided against doing the Sturmtiger since the campaign started, lulled, and then was revived. What I had decided since chosen wasn't going to be allowed so I moved on. It's just being realistic. I'm glad that was clarified now as opposed to in December.
As mentioned, I missed/overlooked the change of leadership amid the back and forth posting. And I assumed that the timeline had been opened up because of the references to post-war vehicles. You know as well as anyone that people ask a lot of questions during the buildup to a campaign.
Me stepping away has little to do with feelings hurt or whatever. I've posted elsewhere that I am scaling back on my campaigns in favor of other projects.
For this one, I had decided against doing the Sturmtiger since the campaign started, lulled, and then was revived. What I had decided since chosen wasn't going to be allowed so I moved on. It's just being realistic. I'm glad that was clarified now as opposed to in December.
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