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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2013 - 01:24 AM UTC
Hi all! To encourage my motivation, I decide to join the 'Unfinished Business' campaign. I hope that I able to make my mood boosted to accomplished this diorama mission on time. To ensure that I begin my work within the permitted range of starting date, I post several photos along with the headline page of local newspaper, as follows:




More progress will be updated soon, thanks for your attention guys!


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Garry
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 07:49 PM UTC
Hello all, especially for anyone that joined the 'Unfinished Business' campaign that currently in action. Here's my latest update on this diorama that majorly deal with road weathering. At the starting point, I simply used the basic paint from the mixture among yellow ochre and titanium white, both of them are locally produced acrylic, with minor portion of Nato Brown acrylic paint from Tamiya. Such basic paint was purposed to show a brown-to-yellow looking -but not too brown- as shown as follows:

Note: Do not try this at home! Use of hand is allowed only when you have to impatiently mix a large amount of paint!






After that, I want to make the pebbles have more natural appearance and a little bit dusty, represented by commonly gray-but-thin- looking of them. So, I add small amount of Lamp Black locally produced acrylic paint and the result can be shown as follows:





..wait for several hours to let them dry and the final result will be like this:




For further evaluation, I also attach the compared photo between 'before' and 'after' weathering process of the pebbles. No significant difference appears, but I think you are able to see the gradation among them as shown as follows:

NOTE: Left (before) & Right (after)


Sorry for the quality of the photos since I take them in my room, so inadequate lighting may occur (camera's autofocus mode was work improperly). More progress will be coming, better photographs (I hope so ) and thanks in advance guys!


Best regards from Indonesia


Garry
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Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2013 - 09:26 PM UTC
Hi friends, another update for this week. As my friend Romain Baulesch suggest me on several previous topic replies by his examples on "Leiterwagen Sample Pictures", such update mainly deals with the revision of the cart's overall color into somewhat grey. It may still rough and I will continue to weather and smooth it ASAP. The result can be shown as follows:









The before-and-after comparison was shown as follows:

NOTE: Left (before) & Right (after)


What do you think? Any constructive critics and comments are very welcome and thank you fellas!


Warm regards from Indonesia


Garry
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 12:25 AM UTC
A recent update of this project, just a minor thing, but very important along with my effort to increase the details, are shown as follows:

The Cart
(little dust were added to test the dusty effect, 'pin-wash' for the bolt among the link of wooden structure was performed)





The Ground Base
(usage of Tamiya's acrylic Diorama Texture Paint was performed, I use the 'grass effect' version for the grass)



I will be glad to receive any constructive comments and critics. Thank you guys, anywhere you are!


Kind regards from Indonesia


Garry
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 07:30 AM UTC
This is coming along nicely Garry. The wagon looks much better in grey with the added weathering imo. Never seen that Tamiya textured paint in action before, might have to try it!

cheers
Brent
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 10:22 PM UTC

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This is coming along nicely Garry. The wagon looks much better in grey with the added weathering imo. Never seen that Tamiya textured paint in action before, might have to try it!

cheers
Brent



Thank you friend, not from myself only, I got several color reference of the wooden wagon with helping from Romain Baulesch. Yes, of course you have to try such product, since IMO it can provide natural effect of grass, but consider the drops of usage, since if it used too much, the grass color might be flat and we may also loss the natural look of them.

Good luck mate Brent!


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Garry
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 - 11:17 PM UTC
Hej Garry,

You are doing a superb job so far! Thanks for sharing those great pics with us!!
I feel tempted by this colour too. Natural products in terrain building don't need colouring normally, but there are synthetics (static grass f.ex.) that always will, so...test there will be!
Will watch progress closely!!!!

Cheers m8

Romain
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Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 04:36 AM UTC

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Hej Garry,

You are doing a superb job so far! Thanks for sharing those great pics with us!!
I feel tempted by this colour too. Natural products in terrain building don't need colouring normally, but there are synthetics (static grass f.ex.) that always will, so...test there will be!
Will watch progress closely!!!!

Cheers m8

Romain



Thank you Romain my guru! I'm so glad that in every reply there will be fellow modelers who voluntarily share their time up to make corrections or suggestions, and such things comes into positive input to be implemented in my project, and you usually be the first mate!

Yes, as my habit to be happy when testing a product for its' reliability and effectiveness. But not to be turned them as primary supplies, since using the mixture of color blending technique with any home recyclable waste are more interesting to be applied!

See you soon friend Romain!


Garry
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Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 08:22 AM UTC
Wow Garry,

You are giving me much more credit then I deserve!
It is true that I find it important to help other modellers if I can.
Far from me the idea that I am anything special in diorama building, only some 50 years of practice have taught me quite a bit.

So you are most welcome my friend!!

Cheers

Romain

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Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 08:56 AM UTC
Your work looks great! How do you like the Tamiya Grass Effects? I just heard about that product and was wondering how it turns out. Looks pretty good from your pix.
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Posted: Thursday, November 07, 2013 - 01:27 AM UTC

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Wow Garry,

You are giving me much more credit then I deserve!
It is true that I find it important to help other modellers if I can.
Far from me the idea that I am anything special in diorama building, only some 50 years of practice have taught me quite a bit.

So you are most welcome my friend!!

Cheers

Romain




Sure and totally agree!
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Posted: Thursday, November 07, 2013 - 02:01 AM UTC

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Your work looks great! How do you like the Tamiya Grass Effects? I just heard about that product and was wondering how it turns out. Looks pretty good from your pix.



Thank you Rick, nice to know you! I hope I can get also nice final result from final touch

Not for being like the product at all, just my curiosity when visiting local hobby shop in my city. I think it's time to try regarding to my project's ground base that illustrates rural area. First thing first is to apply flat 'grass' made from green coir wash that cut in a tiny and thin scale. After that, proportionally apply the product using an old/unused brush and don't forget to consider the dispersion of 'grass' resulted from this product. As simple as that mate! Sorry for not including picture, maybe at the another time

One thing to be keep in mind that IMO this product only shows textured effect of the grass, not creating the grass so naturally at all. Such idea for become natural was depend on the origin of painting skills and logical used from each modeler when placing any items on the ground work.

Good luck and can't wait for your report of first experience, Rick!

Kind regards


Garry
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Posted: Saturday, November 09, 2013 - 04:28 PM UTC
Another recent update of this project, now majorly deals with vegetation... Oh nooo, such thing was terrible for me, neither about deciding proper composition idea nor when to place them into the base... very difficult to do, but no other way out from the step! No give up! I purchase some handmade ingredients that well-packed from local stationary store (about $ 0,3 - $ 0,7 each and lot of choices ); the samples are shown as follows:



...and the installment progress, which still very rough, are shown as follows:







Can't wait for any constructive comments and critics!


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Garry
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Posted: Saturday, November 09, 2013 - 08:22 PM UTC

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The paratroopers would not let a German squad pass them by. This would go against their doctrine and cause them to devalue their purpose.


Who´s to say they are not going to kill the Germans ... this is a moment caught in time ... maybe just before they jumped into action? Their doctrine was to carry out certain missions, and if giving away their position affected this, they would not attack. Maybe their mission was that of sabotage somewhere else, they wouldn´t risk attacking such an unimportant target? And killing first was not always their doctrine. Often it was more important to take prisoners, and bring them back to headquarters for interogation regarding movement/numbers/strategies/etc.
Good start Rick. Stick to your original idea and focus on making it as good as possible. You´ve had some good tips already, and my recommendation would be to adjust poistions before painting, so that everything sits naturally/has proper weight. Dont be afraid to scrape away a little detail on the underneath or where things like the side of the cart support figures. This is every bit as important as painting. Good luck.
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Posted: Saturday, November 09, 2013 - 09:03 PM UTC
Hi Garry,

Thanks for keeping us in the loop!
Frank is absolutely right about adapting figures and their positions! Not always easy....but vital for good quality!!

Now for something completely different...

Vegetation is vital too!! What you show there prompts me to give some advice (if you don't mind ).
The materials displayed are too "big" and too coarse. Remember...everything in the scene is 35 times smaller than the original thing. Europe being located in a temperate climate (mainly at least), we don't have many big plants, not like in tropical regions!
I personally find correct vegetation one of the most challenging parts of a diorama (as I experience presently with my HUE project).
Here in Europe the leaves are fairly small and do seldom totally cover the areas. Usually there is light showing through.
Moreover it is a little harder to google landscape images (but not impossible at all!!)
define the area where the scene is taking place (I would assume Normandy...or maybe Holland?) I'd rather guess at the Normandy....isn't there a scene in BoB that resembles this one (OK, vaguely only). So google the region and take a thorough look at pictures (praise the Lord for Internet!!).
Vegetation is the reason why I like to help my son in his 40K projects. Alien plants can be what you want them to look like, no googling here!!!

Another good idea is to take a look at some of the dio threads here on Armorama. There are fantastic things from real experts....so take the opportunity and learn from the best for free!!
Don't be afraid to ask for info if you feel the need! I'll manage to answer inbetween treatments, no worries!!

Good luck my friend, you will manage this new challenge for sure!!

Cheers

Romain
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Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013 - 02:00 AM UTC

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Hi Garry,

Thanks for keeping us in the loop!
Frank is absolutely right about adapting figures and their positions! Not always easy....but vital for good quality!!

Now for something completely different...

Vegetation is vital too!! What you show there prompts me to give some advice (if you don't mind ).
The materials displayed are too "big" and too coarse. Remember...everything in the scene is 35 times smaller than the original thing. Europe being located in a temperate climate (mainly at least), we don't have many big plants, not like in tropical regions!
I personally find correct vegetation one of the most challenging parts of a diorama (as I experience presently with my HUE project).
Here in Europe the leaves are fairly small and do seldom totally cover the areas. Usually there is light showing through.
Moreover it is a little harder to google landscape images (but not impossible at all!!)
define the area where the scene is taking place (I would assume Normandy...or maybe Holland?) I'd rather guess at the Normandy....isn't there a scene in BoB that resembles this one (OK, vaguely only). So google the region and take a thorough look at pictures (praise the Lord for Internet!!).
Vegetation is the reason why I like to help my son in his 40K projects. Alien plants can be what you want them to look like, no googling here!!!

Another good idea is to take a look at some of the dio threads here on Armorama. There are fantastic things from real experts....so take the opportunity and learn from the best for free!!
Don't be afraid to ask for info if you feel the need! I'll manage to answer inbetween treatments, no worries!!

Good luck my friend, you will manage this new challenge for sure!!

Cheers

Romain



Well mate, for such vegetation, I intend to present a kind of somewhat high bushes that linear with the barb-wired fence. I have read several articles and features, especially from this our lovely site as you said, and several of them from photo feature article by Steven Maes at 'Firefly vc'. Another one was featured by Barry Gazso at 'Flankers'.

I try to best figured the vegs as I can which frequently over scale in several aspects (e.g. leaves, trunks, etc ). Yeah, see and observe were easy man. But, when we have to turns into reality to collect any ingredients needed (my target: home made basis as many as I can do, or as cheaper as I can get ), adjust them into 1/35 scale until complete... wow, very hard actually!

I realize that there always be so many things to learn, even in every project I performed, there always many lessons available (e.g. difference of home town area that affected into recognition level of daily environment... I mean that me in Southwest Asia region, meanwhile you in Europe). Just keep in mind: every time is a good time!

Thanks for your comments and valuable support Romain, keep in touch!


Best regards from Indonesia


Garry
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Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013 - 02:17 AM UTC

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The paratroopers would not let a German squad pass them by. This would go against their doctrine and cause them to devalue their purpose.


Who´s to say they are not going to kill the Germans ... this is a moment caught in time ... maybe just before they jumped into action? Their doctrine was to carry out certain missions, and if giving away their position affected this, they would not attack. Maybe their mission was that of sabotage somewhere else, they wouldn´t risk attacking such an unimportant target? And killing first was not always their doctrine. Often it was more important to take prisoners, and bring them back to headquarters for interogation regarding movement/numbers/strategies/etc.
Good start Rick. Stick to your original idea and focus on making it as good as possible. You´ve had some good tips already, and my recommendation would be to adjust poistions before painting, so that everything sits naturally/has proper weight. Dont be afraid to scrape away a little detail on the underneath or where things like the side of the cart support figures. This is every bit as important as painting. Good luck.



Many thanks for your kind comments Frank! Valuable support also from you and Romain. Yupp, you follow my careless thing when handling those items, especially the figures! I already started this project from the past year, but slowly my mood decreased because of hard office hours (when I get home approximately 07.00 PM, depressed by crazy traffic jam in Jakarta.. too tired and sleepy.. always like that for five weekdays here! In the weekend, just sleep or maybe out of home, again! )

..until a campaign launched for completing this unfinished business of mine. Before the campaign, I already perform basic figure and cart painting, made the ground base concept, but IMO, far from 40% complete for each items. Furthermore, I frequently changed out my idea.. maybe different inspiration, whatever.. Those things caused my bad mood increases day by day. Fortunately, such campaign was being held and I hope I can perform standard steps for completing this diorama project, including the important thing you said: [i]"...adjust poistions before painting, so that everything sits naturally/has proper weight..."[/i}

Thanks again Frank and have a nice modeling time for you!


Kind regards from Indonesia


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Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013 - 05:16 AM UTC

Hi Garry,

I totally agree that money is an issue, and that's why one of my concerns is always to keep things as cheap as possible without loss of quality (of course ).
I don't know if you saw my thread here on Armorama some time ago!?? take a look if you wish. It's about making trees, but bushes are similar. And don't forget Jerry's present thread!!
Usually the saying "time is money" is true. When you can't pay for "ready-made products", you have to make them yourself! Be creative...don't discard ANY material from the beginning, remember that grinding f.ex. can transform "material" into something useful! Think what commercial products are made of....foam, sawdust (and the wood fragments contained), o.s.
You will get the "dio-builder stare" .i.e. can this stuff be used for dios??? My wife knows it well!!!
Don't despair, you can do it for sure!!

Cheers m8

Romain


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Posted: Monday, November 11, 2013 - 01:49 AM UTC
Here you are Garry ,

i like the scene of this diorama, i can see that most of the advice and comments are given , just take your time to finish this diorama .

I keep following the progress.

Kind regards , Kurt

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Posted: Monday, November 11, 2013 - 01:56 AM UTC

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Hi Garry,

I totally agree that money is an issue, and that's why one of my concerns is always to keep things as cheap as possible without loss of quality (of course ).
I don't know if you saw my thread here on Armorama some time ago!?? take a look if you wish. It's about making trees, but bushes are similar. And don't forget Jerry's present thread!!
Usually the saying "time is money" is true. When you can't pay for "ready-made products", you have to make them yourself! Be creative...don't discard ANY material from the beginning, remember that grinding f.ex. can transform "material" into something useful! Think what commercial products are made of....foam, sawdust (and the wood fragments contained), o.s.
You will get the "dio-builder stare" .i.e. can this stuff be used for dios??? My wife knows it well!!!
Don't despair, you can do it for sure!!

Cheers m8

Romain





How unlucky I am that not yet take many lessons from your articles man! I just read yours that shared about those trees and incredible result, spontaneously bookmarked! Yes, of course, many thanks again and again Romain


Cheers


Garry
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Posted: Monday, November 11, 2013 - 02:09 AM UTC

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Here you are Garry ,

i like the scene of this diorama, i can see that most of the advice and comments are given , just take your time to finish this diorama .

I keep following the progress.

Kind regards , Kurt




Thank you for your very kind support mate and sure, I will 'fight' for this


Cheers


Garry
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Posted: Monday, November 11, 2013 - 10:04 AM UTC

You are most welcome m8!

Cheers

Romain
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