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Posted: Friday, September 19, 2014 - 09:29 AM UTC
Hi

The canopy comes in two copies, both have irregularities on their surface. Note the small bump at the top that marks the limit of my cutting. It is present in both copies.





We can improve the transparency of the piece by sanding and polishing it.

The shape of the front seems suspicious. Too round? Not quite steep on top? I can not find photos to help me.



The sides and front of the canopy should be flat (plans?) Without rounding.

So I sanded ...





If you think you can close the canopy, it'll be difficult. The rear of the canopy is not the same shape as the rear fuselage. Can be deformed in the hot water and with glue ???







For its length ... it's at random (JMGT offers 2cm but it's too long); 1.6 mm looks good.


I do not think I can do much better.






It remains to paint the amounts:







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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 08:41 AM UTC
Thank you!

The nose of the aircraft is not suitable. It does not go down enough.

To see if the transformation is possible without destroying the nose of the plane, I redid the underside of the hood with plasticine.

I also lowered a bit the bottom of the fuselage just after the release of air from the engine.





So I got the plastic card and milliput:

First, the fuselage:





Then the cover. Plates of 0.5mm.



I sand to give the shape of the hood.

Perpendicular to the first I glued a thin plate that will make the trailing edge of the hood:



Still Milliput and sanded ...









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Posted: Monday, September 08, 2014 - 09:56 AM UTC

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The nose is too wide and it does not look like Helen Boucher, but I can not do better.




Youi must be joking, I can't understand how you can make something so detailed and beautiful from scratch in that scale

waaaawwww!!!
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Posted: Monday, September 08, 2014 - 08:17 AM UTC
The nose is finished:





The landing gear are finished (except sanding) fitted with a steel rod to hold up, at least I hope.




The wings are attached. The system designed by JMGT is a very good idea but all seriously lacking precision

Note the strange alignment of holes for the exhaust pipes. They should be aligned better than that, right?



The location of trains is filled with miliput and then with putty. The white portion at the body is a plastic plate of 0.5 mm thick. No way to properly adjust the wings to the fuselage.
I forgot to clean the notch in "below" the engine cover (red arrow) before gluing the two halves of the fuselage ...



Mastic is also useful above .... many mastic.

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Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 07:35 AM UTC
The nose of the plane was modified.





The rounded edges of the slits are made in the putty with an airbrush needle


The red line is the axis of the fuselage.







A little sanding and it will be good.

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Posted: Saturday, August 23, 2014 - 09:52 AM UTC
Hello,

First test molds, first prototype of the undercarriage:






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Posted: Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 10:21 AM UTC
I finished the nose, it is glued, adjusted and even sanded.

I only have these pictures of the air intake.

"waroff" wright me :

"450 and 460 are identical in every respect except for the train.
The photo shows a small opening 450 was taken before races 1934.
If you plan to represent the airplane in August 34, so it would be with the large air intake.
the small slot would be lower and in the axis of the aircraft, thereby shifting frankly the main opening to the right.
The sides are straight "





The fuselage section JMGT seems too wide ...

Note that you have the correct cut from its initial position section (as indicated by "roadrunner"





I have only to modify the air intake ????
Pffff !!!

The vertical slot is in line with the plane (and therefore below the axis of the helix and not shifted as in the kit) ???? Or?


More pictures here:

http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=75635&start=50

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Posted: Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 10:15 AM UTC
Thank you!

and the tail....

The top of the drift was slightly retouched.



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Posted: Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 11:55 AM UTC
Your skill at modeling is simply AMAZING. I could not believe my eyes as the female pilot figure came together. And the model itself. Fabulous. Really enjoyed looking at this build.
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Posted: Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 09:26 AM UTC
Hello,

I cut all the moving parts because I could not rewrite them correctly.



I took the opportunity to redo the air vents which pleased me more ...



I changed my method after at least 30 misses testing ... it's much easier that way.



The metal is stamped with toothpicks. The aluminum plate follows the plastic guide. It allows you to have separated from each other regularly and properly align slots.

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Posted: Friday, August 23, 2013 - 07:46 AM UTC
Hi,

I chose to replicate the dashboard and part of the cockpit.




-The vertical cylinder ("periscope" or part of the system gear retraction) is useless in an aircraft with fixed landing gear and is therefore deleted.

-The canister ("gas tank" for gear retraction or extinguisher) is deleted as well.


The walls of the cabin are sanded again. The system adjusts the flaps is made. Note that it is probably a little big and the handle prevents the driver to sit in the seat properly ...






[U] The throttle as the picture [/ u]:








Lead wire arcuate and crushed.



[U] The dashboard [/ u]:

It is a little too rounded and too large



black paint on white plastic engraving dials. A transparent plastic glued on. The amounts of the dials are stuck to the varnish. Liquid mask is placed in the dials. Everything is painted with a very dark gray paint. A drop of gloss varnish for glass dials.



Still lacks some handles on the levers.


The two small handles on the long wall of the passenger compartment.










The compass is completed and will be glued to the end.

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Posted: Monday, July 22, 2013 - 10:36 AM UTC
Waroff wrotte:

"the big bottle (right) could well be the extinguisher. The C 450 and 460 was equipped with the Levy model, automatic and manual trigger."



"For the 450, for sure, no cylinder in the middle, since only 460 were equipped with retractable gear Charlestop early.

For information, the difference in mass between 450 and 460, because of the equipment train Retractable is 12.5 kg in total."


EDIT: in the third minute, passing 460 C flight:

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/news-in-a-nutshell-96/query/national+air+race


I grouped the interesting snippets taken from several scattered dealing train Charlestop of C 460 paragraphs.




The indication LED on the dashboard informs only lock down the train. The other positions are not shown, where road markings"


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Posted: Monday, July 22, 2013 - 10:17 AM UTC
C460 wrote:

"The vertical cylinder under the dash is the oleo pneumatic accumulator mechanism of the landing gear when it came Charlestop. It was unreliable and was replaced in 1934 by Messier system"





Waroff wrote:

"Charlestop imagined a position indicator signal by train .... on the floor:

two color squares, two by half train, were placed on the panels near the finish line
The square had 1 m square and coding was:

- White / white: train down
- Red / red: train identified
- Green / green: the two half train half out
- White / Red: half being dropped on the green side, and raised red side - and vice versa"


C460 wrote:

"The diagram shown in NACA Report 765.

From "Loadmaster":

Report 765.
http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc63460/m1/

Report 724.
http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc63516/m1/



The cylinder can not be displayed more clearly with its function.
If it is a part of the train Charleston, I ask myself: this cylinder he was removed with the installation of the train Messier?

On the other forum, Fasm just posted a scan that contains another photo of the cockpit that I would like to put here:

Handles are seen on both sides, and the center cylinder. The review date of June 1935, but the picture may be older and it is not known if the plane had Charlestop Messier or train."



Waroff:

"the presence of the cylinder indicates that the Charlestop train was in place, so a photo taken before 1934.

In an aircraft, any excess weight is banned because consumer power. This is especially true for a racing plane.
The replacement train Charlestop by Messier had had to lead the full removal of items Charlestop.
A bottle of 8l steel tested to 70 bar weighed about 5kg. Here the cylinder also included a piston, a sealed chamber, and pressure was 100 bar.

On the model 450, you represent the fixed gear, it should not be the battery or the bottle right (Edit: unless it is the fire extinguisher).
C460: The gear actuators Charlestop were hastily replaced by struts (The messier trains will be installed later)"
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Posted: Monday, July 22, 2013 - 10:09 AM UTC

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The new Caudron from Williams Brothers ?



It's not so new. I built it as the Thompson Trophy aircraft in 1996 or thereabouts because I liked the wraparound tricolour ribbon. It's small enough in 1/32! It's nice to see this kit back on the shelves.



This is true. This is the old molds with new decorations including that of Hélène Boucher ...

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Posted: Monday, July 22, 2013 - 06:46 AM UTC

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The new Caudron from Williams Brothers ?



It's not so new. I built it as the Thompson Trophy aircraft in 1996 or thereabouts because I liked the wraparound tricolour ribbon. It's small enough in 1/32! It's nice to see this kit back on the shelves.
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Posted: Monday, July 22, 2013 - 06:24 AM UTC
A translation of the article on :

http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=75635&start=25

From waroff:

http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=75635&start=25

"The steering wheel on the right (366), or to the left crank (450/460 ...) simultaneously actuates the shutters and fixed plane.
The small angular sector that you have shown to the right is not the throttle.
it would rather be in the position indicator soffit panel and incidence of fixed plane, it would be right on 366 and left at 450/460, the same side as the control, what).

The drawing shows the layout of Robinson on the left side, as if the coating was removed."

From "C460":

"We see a little better on the printed book on the scan. The rectangular box that surrounded you left behind, you can guess the words "POUR PIQUER" (to go into a dive )arc of circle with an arrow, and "FIX" below, probably the end of "PLAN FIXE". I think it is a control to adjust the fixed plane only, without touching the components. We can not see if there is a crank, flywheel or other.

A little more before it looks that there is a lever that you pressed in red on the other image. As against the circular area that you drew in the shadow does not appear on the photo.

On the other picture from the same book there is something right that actually looks very much like a throttle with its sector. So I wonder what is the left lever, maybe lift control trains."



http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=75635&start=25

From "Waroff":


The small angular sector that you have shown to the right is not the throttle.
it would rather be in the position indicator soffit panel and incidence of fixed plane, it would be right on 366 and left at 450/460, the same side as the control, what).

From "C460" : Very true, also for the C.366 is described in the document below (Aeronautics July 1934):



Thank you C460 and Warrof.

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Posted: Sunday, July 21, 2013 - 07:34 PM UTC
The new Caudron from Williams Brothers ?






MARKINGOPTIONS: One decal sheet with markings for 5 versions:

1) 1936 Thompson Trophy Los Angeles USA: 1st Place
2) 1936 Coupe Deutsch de la Meurthe France: 1st Place
3) 1935 Coupe Deutsch de la Meurthe France: 1st Place
4) 1934. Coupe Deutsch de la Meurthe France: 3rd Place
5) 1934 Coupe Deutsch de la Meurthe France: 1st Place
1934 2 World Records set by a Woman - Helene Boucher
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Posted: Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 09:05 PM UTC

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Thank you very much Stephen.

That would be the throttle??
Regards.






Definately a type of lever usually associated with air / fuel mix adjustment. Therefor increasing or decreasing the revs for a motor.


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Posted: Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 09:04 PM UTC
Thank you very much Stephan.

That would be the throttle??





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Posted: Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 11:23 AM UTC
Very cool work Louis! I can really apreciate the extra mile you are going in this build.
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Posted: Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 08:27 AM UTC
Thank you.

If we look at the previous photo:

The opening above the dashboard is rounded off and shorter

The dashboard is very close to the trapdoor of access of the plane ( the door).

We guess it on the following photo:


On my Caudron it is much more far. It is impossible to affect(touch) the dashboard or the instruments.

And it is true that we do not see a throttle control to the right.

Although???



Do you know that is this instrument (in red) and what he(it) marked there above?
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Posted: Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 08:16 AM UTC
Amazing work Louis – the attention to detail, the sculpting – all very top notch!

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Posted: Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 08:14 AM UTC
Google translate to you an article from Adrien:

http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=75635&p=884417#p884417



"But I have some doubts about the design of the cockpit:
- The throttle should it be left?
- I think the big wheel is the c.362 and not to C.450/460
- Left in place there would be a rectangular box with a simple crank to control flaps which apparently he coupled adjustment incidence stabilizer.

I refer you scan a bit better plan than you ever had, and a layout of the dashboard. The plans are by Harry Robinson, published among others in [i] Aircraft Archive: Famous Racing and Aerobatic Planes [/ i], but available to my knowledge. There is a small error legendary crank flap is not where it is shown (it is inaccessible to the driver), and I will also put a time diagram showing the shutter mechanism.

Finally, I send you a picture of the dashboard of c.450 published in Volume 2 of the book Hauet, which is no longer available.








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Posted: Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 08:06 AM UTC
Thank you very much!

Thank you very much to Patrick for his plans (the same as the link below) and photos:

http://www.master194.com/maquettes/patrick/caudron/index.htm


The cockpit is almost finished.

The edges are refined as possible.


The vertical "ribs" are added to the upper part of the fuselage. I'm not certain that it existed. In the photos we vaguely guess some shadows ...
The most prominent is useless, a mistake.
Closest to opening the passenger will receive the dashboard and will be invisible except 1 mm ...


The chair is resized a little to have a flatter and less rounded back. No photos of true anyway ...



The dashboard .... I have nothing small enough to fill it properly. I cheat.



The bottle (CO2 ?) To get the train ...
It is true that for a fixed gear aircraft ...That's the plan!



The throttle is moved back from the kit. The curve is flattened tin wire in a metal ruler.

The control system components. On the map it is a crank. I chose to use a steering wheel as in the kit.




Everything is painted light gray or blue-gray.
The pillow of the seat is in red that makes more sport and I like.

Of course you can hardly see anything:







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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2013 - 08:04 AM UTC
Thank you!