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Best airbrush these days?
communityguy
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 02:56 AM UTC
I'm about to wade into murky, controversial waters, but here I go...

What's the best armor and figure painting airbrush on the market?

I've done quite a bit of googling, reading, and research and it's hard to tell what the favorites are in this context. Plus, it seems like more than 6 weeks old, and the reviews are outdated because of better, newer product releases!

I currently have a Badger Chrome Renegade and like it, but am looking to buy a second AB so I can keep enamels and acrylics separate. I may default to getting a second Chrome, but before I did, I wanted to see what the latest is.

Thanks!
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 08:35 AM UTC
It depends on what you value the most. Fine detail ability, atomising ability, workmanship, ease of cleaning, price, spare part availability and so on.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 09:13 AM UTC
For detail work, I recommend the Badger Sotar 2020 fine setup. It runs for under $100, on Amazon. To keep the needle from freezing, back it off bit after each use. For a larger spray pattern, I use Iwata's HP-C. This airbrush is available as a 50th anniversary package. Or you can go with the HP-C+.
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 12:07 PM UTC
Thanks, Matt!

Two follow-ups:

Any idea where to buy that Iwata 50th? I can't seem to find anywhere.

What do you mean "back off"?
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 02:31 PM UTC
I needed a new AB and bought a new Iwata HP-C a couple of months ago, I had been using a 1980's model Badger 150 for many years. The Badger has been a real work horse for me but it was getting kinda sloppy due to wear. The Iwata is a fine piece of workmanship, it is very smooth and precise. It seems to be easier to control, and much, much easier to keep clean.

Hope this helps
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 02:38 PM UTC
Jake,
Before you make a decision, have a look at Iwata Eclipse HP CS for general and some detail work. For detail work look into the Custom Micron series.
From experience, no Badger comes close to it.
I personally own the two ( the HP CS and the Custom Micron C) and I cannot be happier (I am actually considering getting the Custom Micron B for the most detailed work on my figures).
I've had two Badger before getting into the Iwata world. My first airbrush was a single action, then I've got a double action one - forgive me, but I cannot remember the exact models. Regardless of that, Iwata stands out as the absolute best in my books. If you want just OK results, dependability and experience, then go with Badger. If you want the absolute best, choose Iwata.
Nevertheless, be happy with you choice and happy modelling.
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 02:54 PM UTC
Has anyone had any experience with the Grex? I've seen them sold at several hobby shows. They also make air tools like Brad nailers which get good ratings from the woodworking magazines.
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 03:43 PM UTC
Iwata Eclipse HP-CS. Best Diverse AB ive ever used....bar none! Ita like my right arm!

However, lots of good AB's out there.
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 04:23 PM UTC
For an excellent selection and a fair price go to Chicago airbrush supply. THey carry the whole range of Iwata, badger and such. Check them out, they also give a good description of each brush. I know what my next brush is and it will be an Iwata.
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 05:45 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Has anyone had any experience with the Grex? I've seen them sold at several hobby shows. They also make air tools like Brad nailers which get good ratings from the woodworking magazines.



The Grex airbrushes are excellent value. The Genesis line is comparable both in style and quality to more expensive Japanese brands, like Iwata. The Tritium line is a bit more high end, and have some very nice features.
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Posted: Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 11:30 PM UTC
Thanks!
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Posted: Thursday, December 05, 2013 - 06:17 AM UTC
Just to close out, I ended up purchasing a Iwata HP-CS and couldn't be happier with it. First time out of the box, I got beautiful results. And I mean beautiful. I was surprised how well it the paint laid down and how easy it was to control.

As mentioned, my original intention was to get a new airbrush for enamels and keep using my Badger Krome for acrylics. Now I'm inclined to sell the Krome and get another HP-CS!

Thanks everyone for your help and input!
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Posted: Thursday, December 05, 2013 - 07:46 AM UTC
How is it to break it down and clean it ? You will spen a bit of time taking care of it .
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Posted: Thursday, December 05, 2013 - 08:02 AM UTC
It breaks down very easily. The nozzle isn't "smaller than a grain of rice" like the Krome. It also feels more "sealed" going back behind the paint cup.

I broke it down (not fully, just enough to clean) after my first session - a long one. There was little paint in places other than exactly where you'd expect it to be.
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Posted: Thursday, December 05, 2013 - 08:49 AM UTC
I just received my New Paasche TG airbrush in the mail today.
I hope to try it in the next few days. It is replacing my 8 year old Paasche VL series. I looked at the Grex and the Iwata's, but i figured i have my equipment set up for the Paasche ABs anyways, so i'll try this out.
The VL has served me well for those years.
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Posted: Thursday, December 05, 2013 - 08:59 AM UTC
I concur with the Eclipse CS. I just got mine a week ago and am really liking it. Its fast and great on paint consumption. Never quite seen an airbrush atomize paint like this thing does. It sprays circles around my old Paasche.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 01:14 AM UTC
INFINITY CR plus from Harder & Steenbeck is my choice since I do a lot of NATO-3Tone camo or similar modern stuff it's perfect for my needs.
For base paint work I still use my trusted BADGER 200sg.

Cheers
Christopher
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 02:32 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I'm about to wade into murky, controversial waters, but here I go...

What's the best armor and figure painting airbrush on the market?

I've done quite a bit of googling, reading, and research and it's hard to tell what the favorites are in this context. Plus, it seems like more than 6 weeks old, and the reviews are outdated because of better, newer product releases!

I currently have a Badger Chrome Renegade and like it, but am looking to buy a second AB so I can keep enamels and acrylics separate. I may default to getting a second Chrome, but before I did, I wanted to see what the latest is.

Thanks!



Hi Jake,

I´ll make it short. Take a look at this shop:

http://www.pleasedshop.com/index.php?main_page=index

I´ve bought 2 airbrushes from their shop and some spare parts like needles and air filters, some 14 months ago. It is the same quality as Iwata and Co.. To be honest, all expensive brands are still producing in China, at the same factory. You only pay for the name.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 04:04 AM UTC
I be to differ. In my opinion there's a quite noticable quality difference. And no, most companies are not producing their airbrushes in the same factory or China.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 05:18 AM UTC
@Nenad -

Paasche is made in Chicago
Badger is made in the US
Iwata is made in Japan

Just sayin...
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 04:55 AM UTC

Quoted Text

INFINITY CR plus from Harder & Steenbeck is my choice since I do a lot of NATO-3Tone camo or similar modern stuff it's perfect for my needs.
For base paint work I still use my trusted BADGER 200sg.

Cheers
Christopher



Ditto on the Harder & Steenbeck airbrushes.

Smallest needle in the business, easy to clean, great service. All I carry in my shop!
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 07:34 AM UTC
I've got an hp-cs and a revolution cr or cs, can't recall and honestly I can hardly tell the difference. The eclipse is a bit smoother and easier to clean but if you factor in the price the revolution will stomp a mud hole in the eclipse.

Both great brushes and much better than the badger I owned for a week... I don't recall the model but some special edition with cheesy gold anodizing. The trigger got stuck and the needle was bent out of the box, I'm sure you can imagine but it really soured me on badger.
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Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2013 - 12:45 PM UTC
After years using Iwata airbrushes I decided to try a Harder & Steenbeck airbrush. Bought the Evolution CRplus and all I can say is that I was FLOORED by its performance. Simply the BEST airbrush I've ever used. I am now looking to buy the ALplus (Aluminum body) just to see how it feels.

Rob