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UN Campaign
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Posted: Thursday, April 10, 2014 - 08:11 PM UTC

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Just as a side-note, since somebody mentioned that UN vehicles would mainly be painted in all-white



You're right Sven, all is in the "mainly"



Absolutely, the majority of UN vehicles are of course white, with very few exceptions :-)



The Irish troops in Chad dod not use white....what are the criteria: is it Peace Keeping versus Peace Enforcement?
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2014 - 02:38 AM UTC

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The Irish troops in Chad dod not use white....what are the criteria: is it Peace Keeping versus Peace Enforcement?



My thinking was anything under the auspices of the UN
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2014 - 08:24 PM UTC
Sorry, yes, anything under UN mandate is good for the campaign.

My question was more around how do UN forces decide to use overall white or leave vehicles in their national paint scheme?
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2014 - 09:20 PM UTC
If anybody is looking for inspiration try these pics I saw over on the t54/55 research group on face book.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/T5455research/

Paul
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2014 - 09:57 PM UTC
Interesting campaign idea.
I´m currently building an M109A2 Howitzer as UN vehicle. http://www.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=217634&page=1#1828578

.. but I would opt in with another UN vehicle. Maybe one of these: UN M60A3, an T-72 with ERA or an Type59.

There were so many UN vehicles in use to choose from: Badger, AIFV, AML, AMX30-Auf1, BTR- 60,-70, -80, BMP2, BRDM, Centaurs, Cougar, CV9040, Dachs, ECR-90, Ferret, Grizzly, Kürassier, Leclerc, Leopard 1A5DK, LAV III, M113, Nyala, Pandur, Puma, Scimitar, Scorpion, T-55, Taurus, VAB, VBCI, VCTP, VECC, Warrior, Wiesel, YPR 765 and much more


cheers
Walter
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 08:56 AM UTC
I could go for this! Just received my Centauro and echelon UN decals for the Italian force in Lebanon duty. While gathering photos for that I found a pic of a UN BTR-70 in the Bosnia conflict. Captioned as from the Ukraine, in white scheme, and looked crewed by winter troops from east Europe.
Cheers!
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 10:58 AM UTC
I'm in, I have a leopard in the stash, but I also want to build a Leclerc, might have to follow suit and pick one up, but this is a great idea!
flugwuzzi
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 07:34 PM UTC
Rick, there were ukrainian and pakistani BTR-70 in the Bosnia UN Mission UNPROFOR. With the new Trumpeter BTR-70 this would be anice build.

For the Ukrainian BTR-70 Star-Decals (former Bison Decals) just released a decal set http://star-decals.net/star35987.html. They are nice but have two minor color differences to some photos.

cheers
Walter
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 08:21 PM UTC

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Just as a side-note, since somebody mentioned that UN vehicles would mainly be painted in all-white.

There are examples of UN vehicles in cammo pattern:

* Australian M113's in East Timor (and perhaps also Rwanda or Somalia, I can't recall).




My mates car in East Timor.

flugwuzzi
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2014 - 03:45 AM UTC
Thanks for the interesting images Jason!

I like the black umbrella protection
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2014 - 04:32 AM UTC

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My question was more around how do UN forces decide to use overall white or leave vehicles in their national paint scheme?



It usually has to do with the urgency to deploy the vehicles or the limited expected duration of the mission.

Here is a Canadian Lynx in Cyprus in 1974 after hitting a mine. Note the limited white patches.



Here are Canadian Ferrets in Cyprus in 1967 with only the UN emblem for markings and no white at all.

Nito74
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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2014 - 03:59 AM UTC
Well it seems that we have some interest on this one, counting more than 10 for sure, I got the Proposal, just read it.
Looks good so...

You can start enlisting... HERE !!!
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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2014 - 04:56 AM UTC
No.1






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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2014 - 05:01 AM UTC
No.2
flugwuzzi
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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2014 - 07:05 AM UTC
.. enlisted
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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2014 - 07:37 AM UTC
Big Nickel! Somebody shoot me an update to the contest start now and then as I tend to wander around in a fog when it comes to calendars. mmmm, try not to do it on Halloween before end date? No problem with singular contest for entry but, can it be entered in MoM?
cheers!
andromeda673
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2014 - 04:50 PM UTC
I'm enlisted, I'm pretty excited about this campaign actually, there are a lot of options out there. Has there ever been any thought of putting together a NATO/KFOR campaign too? maybe do them together. Just some food for thought.
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 05:41 AM UTC
I've got a Humvee in the stash I might try to do something with.
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 07:31 AM UTC
Number 12!



(I just want to build another M113 again)





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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 07:40 AM UTC
Hi Guys,

You can also add to the list of non white UN vehicles.....

Canadian Ferrets in Cyprus
Danish Ferrets in Cyprus, (Some borrowed from the British army)
Canadian M113s in Cyprus, and in the Sinai
Irish AML 60s in Cyprus.

Congo..
Indian Ferrets
Indian M113s
Swedish M8 a White scout cars,

Lebanon...MNF
Italian M113s
British Ferrets
US Marine M60s

and if you are looking for White painted vehicles...

Italian M60 in Somalia
German Lynx airborne recce vehicle
Irish ACMAT truck (French truck)
Panard 90, 60 armoured cars used by the French and Irish in Lebanon French used the AML 60 only as far as I know.

German Fuch in Somalia
Russian BMD in Bosnia
Ukrainian BTR-70 Bosnia
US Marine LVT-7 in Somalia
British Land Rover Wolf in Bosnia

Here is a FB page for reference to Un Vehicles I set up a while back,

https://www.facebook.com/groups/212855015533114/photos/

Anto


PS anything and everything used in the Korean war by the international forces is UN as well.
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 07:42 AM UTC

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Sorry, yes, anything under UN mandate is good for the campaign.

My question was more around how do UN forces decide to use overall white or leave vehicles in their national paint scheme?



I think its to do with the mandate, if they are a peace keeping force they are in white but if they are there to implement the peace they are in camo.....

Anto
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Posted: Friday, May 30, 2014 - 08:31 PM UTC
Hi all,
Thought I'd sign on for this as I've worked with and for the UN (as Mil and civ). Will wait for the start date before revealing my chosen 'machine' (and it's UN White ).
Catch ya all at the start line.
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Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2014 - 12:58 PM UTC
Welcome Roger! Can't have too many entries in anything!
Cheers!
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Posted: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 - 03:48 AM UTC
I think I know how I'll paint my Legend TUA conversion:

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Posted: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 - 05:55 AM UTC

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The Irish troops in Chad dod not use white....what are the criteria: is it Peace Keeping versus Peace Enforcement?



My thinking was anything under the auspices of the UN



Hi Guys,

NO, it is not!

In general the UN doctrine has five different operations:
1. preventive diplomacy
2. restoring peace (peace making) It should restore peace, decrease an (armed) conflict It is used to reduce the problems and should contribute to a solution to avoid a (re)start of the war.
3. peace keeping missions. Its intentions is to restrict, decrease or solve a(n armed) conflict as a third party. They (in general) need the authoisation of the international community and the warrying parties. Military and NGO cooperate to execute these missions.
4. post conflict peace restoring missions
5. peace enforcing operations. Here at least one party does not agree upon an intervention by a peace force. These actions can be inter or intra state character. The use of violence is relatively high. Mainly, these actions will be handed over to a (regional) security organisation, like the NATO or a coalition of states.

The main difference is that in 3. the use of force is limited to self protection. Here, UN troops try to limit the conflict. (as in the beginning of the Bosnian conflict) In case 5. the UN becomes an active party in the conflict and use force to restore peace andto seperate or eliminate the warrying party or parties.( As in the Korean conflict) So, there is quite a difference.
These operations can be put into a spectrum of conflict. This spectrum shows the sort of relations between the groups of population or nations.Peace, (armed) conflict and post-conflict. For conflict you may also read ' war' .

All this is to read in the "An Agenda for Peace", written in 1992 on request of the UN Security Council, written by the UN Secretary-general. It was afterwards completed with the "Supplement".