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I think HobbyBoss screwed the pooch . . .
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 05:07 AM UTC
The minute I saw the first HobbyBoss postings of their early sprue shots for the new 750gal. Deuce and a Half CCKW model I thought the enclosed cab had a problem.

I thought it looked too narrow front to back as though it had been driven into a wall.
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 05:19 AM UTC


To determine this, first I searched for the most 90 degree "profile" flat photo I could find of a CCKW enclosed cab on the internet. I then took one of HB's own sprue photos and cropped in on the right hand door. Finally I overlayed the two images using Gimp photo software.

The door starts an inch and a half from the bottom edge of the cab (As it should) because the edge of the cab floor forms the bottom molding of the cab on both the model and on the actual vehicle.
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 05:29 AM UTC
This is the photo that first triggered my suspicions.



Even in perspective this photo just looked wrong.

I had had hopes that either the photo was distorted or this one molding had been slightly warped. Unfortunately I feel neither is the case.
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 05:42 AM UTC
Here are the originals of the photos used in case anyone wants to run their own experiments - But when you do the experiment be sure you allow for the height of that floor molding which IS NOT part of the door itself:





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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 05:48 AM UTC
I really do hope someone proves me wrong but I just don't think it is going to happen.

So sorry HB, I was really looking forward to your new offering and also the Short Wheel Base truck you are planning on.

Suggestion HB; please, please, please introduce the open cab fuel truck first (So far it looks great!) And hold up on the enclosed cab until you fix this serious problem - while you still can.
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 06:28 AM UTC
The model is already on the shelves so that is not going to happen.
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 07:25 AM UTC
Oh well I will then be substituting the Italeri water truck enclosed cab on this model. I can always use the left over HB doors to laminate onto the inside of the Italeri doors to give them better detail and the correct thickness.
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 09:41 AM UTC

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To determine this, first I searched for the most 90 degree "profile" flat photo I could find of a CCKW enclosed cab on the internet. I then took one of HB's own sprue photos and cropped in on the right hand door. Finally I overlayed the two images using Gimp photo software.



That's swell, but what is the dimensional difference between the kit part and a real truck's door?

KL
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 09:43 AM UTC
Darren's right it's to late now, maybe just maybe Hobby Boss will correct the cab on the Short Wheel Base version.
How much does Italeri charge for replacement parts. May be they could package their enclosed cab as a separate item.
Does any one have both the Hobby Boss and the Italeri enclosed cab kits. Could you take a couple pic's of both cabs next to each other and some of the doors on top of each other and next to each other.
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 09:56 AM UTC

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How much does Italeri charge for replacement parts.



I don't think they sell parts, but at most shows you can find entire Italeri kits for less than what you would probably pay for shipping.

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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2014 - 10:27 AM UTC
I don't think Italeri sells parts either but I also agree it is easier to just buy a full kit at a hobby show or on eBay. And of course the Italeri water truck was just recently re-released so that makes is easier to find.
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Posted: Sunday, September 07, 2014 - 12:03 PM UTC
Down at the World War II Museum in New Orleans all this week. They have a BEAUTIFUL SWB Deuce hard cab that they MIGHT let me measure!

Toni P-l-e-a-s-e!
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Posted: Monday, September 08, 2014 - 06:37 AM UTC
Sorry to say but I don't have any way of moving my Museum photos from my camera to my iPad for posting on the Armorama site while traveling.
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Posted: Monday, September 08, 2014 - 11:57 AM UTC
OK, Toni at the WWII Museum is traveling on business today but Kim was nice enough to help us out.

The bottom edge of the closed cab Deuce door is 34 1/4 inches wide. Also the door is 31 3/4 inches wide at the belt line molding so those of you with the HobbyBoss model Deuce in hand, scale it out for us and let us know how the model measures up.
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Posted: Monday, September 08, 2014 - 11:26 PM UTC
has anybody directly compared the Italeri Closed cab & doors with the HobbyBoss one yet?
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Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 12:23 AM UTC

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Oh well I will then be substituting the Italeri water truck enclosed cab on this model. I can always use the left over HB doors to laminate onto the inside of the Italeri doors to give them better detail and the correct thickness.



Hi, Mike! If the doors and cab are too short, wouldn't the ITALERI cab be a tiny bit too long for the HOBBY BOSS chassis? I don't have any of HOBBY BOSS' CCKW kits, so I can't make this comparison on my own...
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Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 02:09 AM UTC

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Oh well I will then be substituting the Italeri water truck enclosed cab on this model. I can always use the left over HB doors to laminate onto the inside of the Italeri doors to give them better detail and the correct thickness.



Hi, Mike! If the doors and cab are too short, wouldn't the ITALERI cab be a tiny bit too long for the HOBBY BOSS chassis? I don't have any of HOBBY BOSS' CCKW kits, so I can't make this comparison on my own...



I suspect the overall frame length is correct but if it is not then lenthening the frame 2 - 4 inches under the cab should not be a great problem.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 05:45 AM UTC
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Sorry (highway70) but I'm not sure exactly what you are showing us here but I am certainly interested to learn!

Mike

p.s. Looks like you are comparing the HobbyBoss door to the Italeri door but it looks also like you are trying to relate that to the real vehicle door but not sure how that is supposed to work?
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 03:09 PM UTC
Here is the door I measured fresh from the WWII Museum in New Orleans:

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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 03:11 PM UTC
What scale is this model?

Oh wait, One-to One Scale! It's the SWB Deuce at the Museum as seen from the fifth floor observation bridge.

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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 05:37 PM UTC

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The Italeri door seems to be more correct in overall size, but the shape of window frame and opening are very wrong...
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 06:41 PM UTC
Could you not just lengthen the cab and door down the center?

Cheers Rob.
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 06:42 PM UTC
Looks like the pooch is getting the jar of sand today .
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 08:02 PM UTC

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Could you not just lengthen the cab and door down the center?

Cheers Rob.


A lot of work and quite difficult to do cleanly, but probably doable. The problem is that you would end up with a cab a couple of millimeters too long to fit to other kit parts...
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