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Some 3d printed stuff for IDF armor fans
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 02:52 AM UTC
I have a personal disdain for photo-etch and super glue, and was also sick of the too-thin/out of scale rack holders for IDF tanks. It was a pain to get proper stand-off from the tank hull and none of the photo-etch had weld marks... so i designed some new ones. It took me a ton of test prints to get these right, and i wanted to share with others that may be interested.



( Photos courtesy of Greg Buechler )


Here is a link to them on shapeways, one set is enough for two shermans plus extra.
http://shpws.me/wpbD

I have also made a sherman stowage basket that is very detailed, including wled lines/tie downs/etc. made it the thinnest i could and still be printable.
Here it is on my M4A3 M51 project:



Here is the link to purchase:
http://shpws.me/vZ9S

any comments/suggestions more than welcome!
Grindcore
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 05:06 AM UTC

Looks like it would work on the Tamiya Tiran 5 also, thumbs up!
OleSaeterboe
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 07:20 AM UTC
Nice product will be very useful. You were interested in suggestions for products, here is my suggestions.
- stowage boxes for israeli shermans, long and short ones
- engine deck for M4 and M4A1 shermans
- cheek bulge for 75 and 105 mm sherman turrets that lack it
- different types of sprockets for Italeri M47 Patton
- different types of sprockets for Academy M48A5 Patton
- turret details for Italeri M47 Patton like hand rails of the short type and the rain gutter

best regards

Ole
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 10:05 AM UTC
Those can racks are making me kneek in the wees....
I may just have to pop the cherry and order something from Shapeways.
If that's not the best use of 3D printing I have seen yet, well, it is.
Methinks some proper headlight guards for Magach6's might also be cool?
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 10:13 AM UTC

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Those can racks are making me kneek in the wees....
I may just have to pop the cherry and order something from Shapeways.
If that's not the best use of 3D printing I have seen yet, well, it is.
Methinks some proper headlight guards for Magach6's might also be cool?



Thanks!
You should see my folding chairs, they are really fine.
http://shpws.me/vZbG
http://shpws.me/oWCB

Ill look into the headlight guards as i have a one on the bench.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 10:15 AM UTC

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Nice product will be very useful. You were interested in suggestions for products, here is my suggestions.
- stowage boxes for israeli shermans, long and short ones
- engine deck for M4 and M4A1 shermans
- cheek bulge for 75 and 105 mm sherman turrets that lack it
- different types of sprockets for Italeri M47 Patton
- different types of sprockets for Academy M48A5 Patton
- turret details for Italeri M47 Patton like hand rails of the short type and the rain gutter

best regards

Ole



can you post a link to the stowage boxes? I think sabingamartin makes them in resin?
also what would you like ot see for the sherman engine decks?
Thanks!
OleSaeterboe
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 11:12 AM UTC
Engine decks for the radial engined shermans is what i meant.

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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 01:51 AM UTC

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Engine decks for the radial engined shermans is what i meant.




do you have specifics? for what kit? i haven't heard of a lot of complaints on the engine decks ( unless you are talking IDF specific?)
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 02:07 AM UTC
Although not IDF specific, I would like to see some WWII US vehicle headlights. I haven't been able to find any replacement lights yet. Unless someone out there makes a plastic or resin replacement..
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 02:14 AM UTC
TMD makes some, would any of these work?

http://www.newtmd.com/Commonwealth-Sherman-Head-Lights-with-Brush-Guards-Clear-Head-Light-Assembly
http://www.newtmd.com/Commonwealth-Sherman-Head-Lights-with-Brush-Guards-Separate-Lenses
http://www.newtmd.com/Sherman-Tail-Lights-with-Asymmetrical-Brush-Guards
http://www.newtmd.com/Sherman-Tail-Lights-with-Symmetrical-Brush-Guards
http://www.newtmd.com/US-Sherman-Late-Head-Lights-with-Brush-Guards-Clear-Head-Light-Assembly
http://www.newtmd.com/US-Sherman-Late-Head-Lights-with-Brush-Guards-Separate-Lenses

I have had very good luck with NEWTMD stuff.
if none of these would work for you post a pic and ill see if i can make it?
thanks!
OleSaeterboe
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 02:14 AM UTC
Having several M51 shermans from Academy I want to build/convert a couple of them as ordinary M4A1 hvss. And the engine deck is what i lack the most.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 02:25 AM UTC

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I have a personal disdain for photo-etch and super glue, and was also sick of the too-thin/out of scale rack holders for IDF tanks. It was a pain to get proper stand-off from the tank hull and none of the photo-etch had weld marks... so i designed some new ones. It took me a ton of test prints to get these right, and i wanted to share with others that may be interested.

Here is the link to purchase:
http://shpws.me/vZ9S

any comments/suggestions more than welcome!



Hi Aaron,

Great ! very nice idea and so useful ! Thanks !
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 02:32 AM UTC
What 3D printer can us modellers use & afford? Plz add links for us.
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 02:35 AM UTC
I think they would. I'm looking for replacement headlights, and now as I just found out the night driving light, for an old Testors 3/4 ton Dodge. They have a nasty injection pin hole in the middle of the front face. Instead of try to correct it I'm just going to dump then and get better detailed versions anyway. The NewTMD kit has a lot that I need but also too much that I wouldn't use.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 02:40 AM UTC

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What 3D printer can us modellers use & afford? Plz add links for us.



if you want to print items this fine you will pay high-end BMW money to get a printer, and it will be obsolete in 6 months. all of the "consumer" printers are terrible for modeling, and require a huge time investiment in getting them to even work.
Thats why i use shapeways, i "outsource" the fidiling with the machines and always have the latest printing technology at my finger-tips!
maybe in the next decade we will get home printers that can print at the detail level required to print parts like this, maybe.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 02:43 AM UTC

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What 3D printer can us modellers use & afford? Plz add links for us.



You're going to to buy and learn how to use a CAD drawing program to design your parts before being able to print anything. If you're an old fart like me, it's no easy deal.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 02:51 AM UTC

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What 3D printer can us modellers use & afford? Plz add links for us.



You're going to to buy and learn how to use a CAD drawing program to design your parts before being able to print anything. If you're an old fart like me, it's no easy deal.



I have been doing this ( 3d ) since 1993, so i lucked out there
There are some new packages out like "sketch-up" that are easier to learn, but it takes a big time investment. think of it like learning how to make masters and do mold-making. those are also skills that take time to learn.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 06:20 AM UTC
Just ordered the can racks, looking forward to seeing them.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 06:35 AM UTC

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Just ordered the can racks, looking forward to seeing them.


thanks! let me know what you think!
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 06:57 AM UTC

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What 3D printer can us modellers use & afford? Plz add links for us.



http://formlabs.com/en/

This is the entry level that could be used for scale modelling purposes (good definition, no layer lines). Cons are expensive resin material and limited size. Price is so-so, it is expensive if you are only curious, relatively OK if you want to use it regularly, or to create models for sale. Printers using PLA or ABS filament are not very good for our modeling purposes.

For CAD program, I suggest learning AutoDesk Inventor, it is easier to learn than AutoCad and Solid Edge. These are good for hard surface design, and have the output format required by 3D printers. For character design (figures etc) other software is needed (ZBrush, Maya etc) which are a completely different cup of tea to use and learn.

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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 07:47 AM UTC
AutoCAD Inventor is basically AutoCAD with advanced 3D modelling capabilities. AutoCAD is a 2D drafting program. Same company. Similar learning curve with 3D lessons needed. There are email similarities between Inventor and AutoCAD. Most techniques used in AutoCAD transfer over to Inventor. Plus AutoCAD also has its own 3D modelling feature that's separate from Inventor. But it obviously isn't geared completely towards 3D as Inventor is.

Sketchup is a good program to get a taste of 2D/3D modelling. There also CATIA but I don't know how expensive it is or how beginner friendly it is.

Just a warning, ALL AutoCAD products are insanely expensive. Thousand and thousands of dollars to buy the full version. AutoDesk offers Student Versions of most of their products which are free but sometimes come as license that expire after a number of years. These student versions are full feature but have some limitations where you can't edit some settings. But these are good programs to get your feet wet.

But beware, if going in as a beginner who will be teaching themselves, there is a steep learning curve to these programs. In case you're confused with what I said earlier, there is a slight curve going between related programs like AutoCAD and AutoCAD Inventor. But going in as a beginner there is a steep learning curve.
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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 09:16 AM UTC
I was mentioning Inventor because I could learn using it with some help on my own in a few months relatively easily (I cannot use all functions but I can use it to create geometrical objects if there aren't too difficult compound curved surfaces on it, so say an armor hull or a wheel). Even I could learn it so I think it cannot be so difficult Getting enthusiastic about it I tried to learn SolidEdge and ZBrush on my own following tutorials but these seem to be much more difficult for me. Surely there are many programs, so I guess the best is to visit the next technical school in your vicinity and ask a teacher to demonstrate the different software (this is what I did actually). I cannot comment on Sketchup though.

Anyway, 3D design looks intimidating at first but it does not differ much from operating other software provided you have a certain level of practice.

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Posted: Friday, October 24, 2014 - 10:24 AM UTC
Got a message today that my parts have shipped, very nice.
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Posted: Friday, October 24, 2014 - 10:56 AM UTC
Punch! ViaCAD 2D/3D is another good program to create the .stl files you need for 3D printing. It's what I use for the files I create for Click2detail.com and comes in both PC and Apple versions. I use both platforms and think the Mac version is a little better. If you used Lego blocks and that Play-Doh extruder as a kid you can use Punch! ViaCAD.
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Posted: Friday, October 24, 2014 - 11:14 AM UTC
What other stuff have you designed, Aaron?