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Hong Shilka
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2016 - 03:32 PM UTC
I'm currently reviewing this kit. It will be compared, with the Dragon Value Pack. So far it has been a real pita. Parts don't fit. Mistakes in the instructions. Lots of seems and flash. Expect a full report in two weeks(I'm giving myself time to construct the turret interior).
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2016 - 09:38 PM UTC
Hello!
First of all, I'm very glad that a review will be made thanks. But why will it be Hong vs. Dragon? They are not in the same class. IMHO a Hong vs. Meng would be more informative.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 - 12:28 AM UTC
Hong and Meng are different versions.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 - 02:15 AM UTC
Meng can be built as 4 versions, -4V1, -4MZ, -4M, and -4M2.
Hong can be built as -4M or -4MZ.

They can both be built as the same version, the -4M.

Sean
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Posted: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 - 03:31 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Meng can be built as 4 versions, -4V1, -4MZ, -4M, and -4M2.
Hong can be built as -4M or -4MZ.

They can both be built as the same version, the -4M.

Sean



Thanks. I'm looking into purchasing one. This review will still cover the Dragon and Hong kits, plus Meng.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 - 10:12 PM UTC
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Meng can be built as 4 versions, -4V1, -4MZ, -4M, and -4M2.
Hong can be built as -4M or -4MZ.

They can both be built as the same version, the -4M.

Sean



Meng: 4V1 (firs export version), 4M Modernised export version, 4M2 Afghanistan war specialised version, 4M3 With IFF. (with driver compartment interrior, ammunition and door interriors, working torsion suspenzions and tracks).
About the same price as the Hong.

Hong (Poorest): 4M, 4M2, 4M3.

(Printing Error! Not MZ, M3!!!!!)

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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 12:31 AM UTC
Gabor,
thanks for the correction on the MZ vs. M3 designation, do you think this entry from Wikipedia - "ZSU-23-4MZ "Beryoza" (Z stands for "zaproschik"—"inquirer") (1977): equipped with identification friend-or-foe system "Luk" is just speculation on the authors part ?

Sean
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 09:15 AM UTC
"Gabor,
thanks for the correction MZ vs. M3 Select what you think about this entry from Wikipedia - " ZSU - 23-4MZ " Beryoza " ( Z " zaproschik "-" interested " ) (1977) : equipped with identification or friendship - enemy system" Luke " just speculation , the authors part of it?"
Someone wanted something , he describes , then it spreads stupidity .... officially, the M3 version exists.
MZ on a motorcycle , the East German industry was a masterpiece.