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Best Abrams kit?
ceerosvk
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 06:24 PM UTC
Hey guys, i need an advice. I usually build WW2/CW prototypes, paper tanks and obscure vehicles, but this time i'd like to build a classic US Abrams tank. I am aiming towards the earlier versions, M1A1 or early M1A2, i don't want a kit representing a machine with TUSK and all that fancy equipment that makes it look like a christmas tree hehe.
Which kit should i get? I have absolutely no idea about the quality/accuracy of kits when it comes to modern tanks.
Tojo72
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 06:30 PM UTC
If you can get your hands on Dragon # 3535 M1A1 SEP it is an excellent kit
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 06:30 PM UTC
Dragon's M1A1 AIM (3535) and M1A2 SEP (3536) are the best Abrams kits currently on the market. Both are from the early to mid-2000s and look great. They already come with all the extras (PE, metal barrel, etc.) and don't really need any additional items to make them look great.
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ivanhoe6
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 06:41 PM UTC
Michal, You can't go wrong with Dragon's #3535. Especially if you can find the first release. It has a metal barrel and Magic Tracks and a fair amount of PE. Or Dragon's Orange Box release, it is inexpensive and comes with a fairly nice crew and a little bit of interior. The re-release of #3535 has DS tracks and a plastic barrel. Tamiya also has a couple of different Abrams but I don't know much about them.
HTH !
Tom
ceerosvk
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 06:58 PM UTC
Thanks for the replies guys, seems like the Dragon kit is the one to go.


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Michal, You can't go wrong with Dragon's #3535. Especially if you can find the first release. It has a metal barrel and Magic Tracks and a fair amount of PE. Or Dragon's Orange Box release, it is inexpensive and comes with a fairly nice crew and a little bit of interior. The re-release of #3535 has DS tracks and a plastic barrel. Tamiya also has a couple of different Abrams but I don't know much about them.
HTH !
Tom



Thats some useful info here. any idea how do i differenciate between the original release and reissue? i found a handful of these 3535 kits on ebay but im sure which one is which. I absolutely don't want to buy a kit with rubber tracks.

cheers!
Tojo72
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 07:09 PM UTC

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Thanks for the replies guys, seems like the Dragon kit is the one to go.


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Michal, You can't go wrong with Dragon's #3535. Especially if you can find the first release. It has a metal barrel and Magic Tracks and a fair amount of PE. Or Dragon's Orange Box release, it is inexpensive and comes with a fairly nice crew and a little bit of interior. The re-release of #3535 has DS tracks and a plastic barrel. Tamiya also has a couple of different Abrams but I don't know much about them.
HTH !
Tom



Thats some useful info here. any idea how do i differenciate between the original release and reissue? i found a handful of these 3535 kits on ebay but im sure which one is which. I absolutely don't want to buy a kit with rubber tracks.

cheers!



You would have to directly ask the seller for that info,some state it in their listing,for what's it's worth the DS tracks shouldn't make that much diffrence on an Abrams as there is no sag and the entire top run is hidden.If you can't get hold of a kit with indies,you can always get AFV Club workables.
Cantstopbuyingkits
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 07:34 PM UTC
Dragon's seems to be the best currently available by a long shot, but Meng's upcoming kit might be even better!
Tojo72
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 07:36 PM UTC

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Dragon's seems to be the best currently available by a long shot, but Meng's upcoming kit might be even better!



True,but he doesn't want a TUSK,I hope Meng releases some early Abrams also.Their T-90 was great !!!
Vodnik
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 08:30 PM UTC
Magic Tracks and metal barrel in this case are LESS accurate than plastic barrel (which has extra details on the bottom), and DS tracks which are more accurate dimmensionally and represent newer T158LL track type.
So there is no real reason to look for the original release.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 08:40 PM UTC
A couple clarifications:


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...You can't go wrong with Dragon's #3535.

...Or Dragon's Orange Box release, it is inexpensive and comes with a fairly nice crew and a little bit of interior.



Dragon's M1A1 AIM kit (3535) and their Abrams Orange Box kits are not the same plastic. The Orange box kit is Dragon's older mold M1A1 (3517) from the early '90s. At the time, it was the best Abrams on the market, but has been eclipsed by Dragon's newer M1A1 AIM (3535) and M1A2 SEP (3536) kits.


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The re-release of #3535 has DS tracks and a plastic barrel.



I would get the re-release. The magic tracks are not that great and the DS tracks w/ open guide horns represent the newer T158LL tracks well. The plastic barrel actually is more detailed than the metal barrel. The plastic barrel is molded in sections with no two-part tubes to worry about a seam on. This also allows the small bolt detail and other finer details along the underside to be molded onto it. It looks really good when done.

** Beaten to the punch again!! Pawel got me as I was typing. Great minds do think alike. **
zedhol
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 10:50 PM UTC
If you haven't found one yet, I have the original release of the M1A1 kit #3535 for sale. It includes all that has been mentioned, and is unstarted. In case you are worried why I am selling, I already have 4 others, 2 finished.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 - 01:39 AM UTC
This guy also has a few for sale.

http://armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=244945&page=1