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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - 08:46 PM UTC
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The wheels in my head have been turning ever since I saw the words "Jagd-Sherman" in one of your posts!

Not really sure why the US designers would have never tried an off-set, hull mounted gun with limited traverse in the Sherman.

Then trade all that weight of the now gone turret for extra armor and a lower silhouette.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - 09:32 AM UTC

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I just wondered what the thinking was on the paint.

I can agree with Nige completely on his response to the question.

Personally my scratch construction has never been precise enough to be left unpainted but I see your point.



Mike, your work looks just fine unpainted!

My current build, just put up in the What If section.

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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - 08:25 AM UTC
I just wondered what the thinking was on the paint.

I can agree with Nige completely on his response to the question.

Personally my scratch construction has never been precise enough to be left unpainted but I see your point.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - 07:31 AM UTC

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What is your thinking regarding not being painted? Never thought of that one - should we not require finish paint?



Won't bother me any. I got third place at a local show with an unpainted M4A1. Nichimo, with Tamiya, with Italeri.



Am good with paint as an option. Glad to see this campaign proposal getting traction.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - 06:52 AM UTC

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What is your thinking regarding not being painted? Never thought of that one - should we not require finish paint?



Won't bother me any. I got third place at a local show with an unpainted M4A1. Nichimo, with Tamiya, with Italeri.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - 06:15 AM UTC
I know of some scratch builders who's builds are so clean and tidy in white plastic that many have been told that it is a shame that they consider painting them !! Keeping them unpainted offers the viewers an opportunity to see how the scratch went together !!
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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - 05:57 AM UTC
What is your thinking regarding not being painted? Never thought of that one - should we not require finish paint?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - 05:29 AM UTC
In this case the conversion is not the Krupp truck which is totally stock. The conversion is the cloth top. This top was built out of two very highly sectioned and tortured Italeri Opel Blitz truck tops.





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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - 05:27 AM UTC
I am truly excited about soon being able to fill this void in my modeling.

Thank You
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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - 01:31 AM UTC
Hi Mike,

Not a problem! I only raised it light-heartedly as I assumed it was a confusion with MikeyBugs' 3D print thread. (I saw it there shortly after my first reply here...)

I'm still planning to finish the set as described, and might even scale them up to 1:25 too for the car/truck guys. I'll let you know when they're ready!
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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - 12:36 AM UTC
Good points all!

I personally would have no problem with the Academy captured "German" T-34 or the IDF M-50, after all they ARE conversions!

I would have no problem even with a captured stock Sherman with just German crosses painted on it either.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 - 12:25 AM UTC

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OK, I guess I'm in for the campaign as well, but that is still only five of us!

At this point I'm thinking it will be one of the following:
- 2-axle Hard-Cab, Chevy Firetruck
- MAZ-543 8x8 semi tractor
- Large Australian aircraft crane based on the CDCKW.

These 3 are all vying for first place on my "next most wanted model" list.



If it would bring more people on board, why not allow things like that T-34 and the IDF M50 and just call it a conversions campaign? Just allow extra time for the extreme conversions.

After reading some of the What If threads I'm stuck on a What If mood. I'm waiting for some parts for my M50's, real What If's!

My thoughts (nightmares):

M4A3E8 90mm
M4 Sturm-Sherman
M4 Jagd-Sherman

American-ized Panther G, Panther F or Panther II.
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 11:18 PM UTC
Well I just figured out my confusion. I also posted this request for the "turtle horns" over on Michael Goldberg's thread about looking for 3D parts to print. I falsely assumed it was Michael responding to me here on my thread without reading the by line.

My mistake.
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 11:13 PM UTC
Very sorry Tom. I don't know how I got that crossed up.

Apologies

Mike
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 10:51 PM UTC

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OK Michael, I admit in making the following requests/suggestions I am being a choosy (or cheeky) beggar . . .

Perhaps the addition of a flat vertical mounting bracket coming off the bottom rear portion of the horn body please. Also the voltage regulator shown in the photo is a very generic item under the hood of 30's thru 60's autos that could be included in the horn set for even greater value. (They came in a variety of sizes - the one for the Jeep was huge!)

p.s. Thank you for making the end of the trumpet horn a bit more pronounced like on the Diamond T horns rather than squashed flatter as on the Spartan horns.)



Hi Mike,

Yep - brackets, wire attachment stud, and regulator are on the cards! (Just wanted to crack the basic shape first...). My plan is a "hi" and "low" plus regulator in a set, all on a small sprue.

BTW, I'm Tom, not "Michael"...
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 10:37 PM UTC
OK, I guess I'm in for the campaign as well, but that is still only five of us!

At this point I'm thinking it will be one of the following:
- 2-axle Hard-Cab, Chevy Firetruck
- MAZ-543 8x8 semi tractor
- Large Australian aircraft crane based on the CCKW.

These 3 are all vying for first place on my "next most wanted model" list.
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 09:47 PM UTC
Hi Mike - I might be up for a campaign, scratch or conversion - don't know what at this point - but why not? As for time - whatever you wish! I just like building stuff and a scratch or two in the future are likely anyway!

Cheers
Nick
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 09:20 PM UTC
How about this one; a conversion already in kit form, right out of the box from the manufacture!



Academy's new Russian T-34, depicted as captured by the Germans. The Germans converted it by repainting, re-lettering and they even added a Pz. IV cupola to give the commander more room and greater visibility.

Neat eay?

p.s. More photos of captured T-34's on the Achtung Panzer! website at:

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerkampfwagen-t-34r-soviet-t-34-in-german-service.htm



More assorted other captured tanks (including US equipment) again on the Achtung Panzer! website:

Gallery I:

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/ctpic.htm

Gallery II:

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/ctpic2.htm
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 07:35 PM UTC
OK Michael, I admit in making the following requests/suggestions I am being a choosy (or cheeky) beggar . . .

Perhaps the addition of a flat vertical mounting bracket coming off the bottom rear portion of the horn body please. Also the voltage regulator shown in the photo is a very generic item under the hood of 30's thru 60's autos that could be included in the horn set for even greater value. (They came in a variety of sizes - the one for the Jeep was huge!)

p.s. Thank you for making the end of the trumpet horn a bit more pronounced like on the Diamond T horns rather than squashed flatter as on the Spartan horns.)
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 07:02 PM UTC
Horn diaphragm mechanism:

This diaphragm construction is very similar to that used in the old dial telephone ear piece speakers.
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 06:54 PM UTC
Combine the straight horns on the left with the idea of the spiral bulb horn on the right:
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. . . and you get the compact auto horn shown here:
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 06:42 PM UTC

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Hi Mike,

Your Sparton horns are getting closer to reality! Spent a little CAD time this evening...

Still got some tweaks to do, and then a mirror-image for the other horn, but that means editing the spiral and bolts...



Michael - very impressive. I thought perhaps you had forgotten about my request. I do realize this creation probably involved an above average amount of CAD work given the complex shape of the product produced.

Thank you!

I look forward to one day trying these out!


Nige - The spiral is basically the "folded" hollow trumpet of the horn. The domed structure on top holds the electrically oscillated disc, the horn diaphragm that creates the "voice". (Sorry, You probably knew this already.)
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 04:51 PM UTC

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Hi Mike,

Your Sparton horns are getting closer to reality! Spent a little CAD time this evening...






Still got some tweaks to do, and then a mirror-image for the other horn, but that means editing the spiral and bolts...



I wondered what was meant by a spiral as the underside was not visible on those original photos !

That may have been possible to form using putty shaped using a dental pic and a pressed aluminium horn spout as one offs. At least with a cad and 3D print they will be easily replicated time and again !