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Curious if anyone has links to a good Miellerwagen reference. I have found a few, like the one rebuild at the UK museum, but there are no detailed images showing the hydrolic lines, air lines, and oxygen lines.

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There is always the one at the Wright-Pat Museum but I doubt I happen to have the particular details you need -




(All photos copyright Michael Koenig 2011)
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(Photo copyright Michael Koenig 2011)
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(All photos copyright Michael Koenig 2011)
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(All photos copyright Michael Koenig 2011)
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(All photos copyright Michael Koenig 2011)
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I hope these photos of mine are of some help. I am sure this display has been photographed and published a million times. Unfortunately the rear end of the trailer was under the C-47 and inaccessible for me to photograph.
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2017 - 10:12 AM UTC

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Curious if anyone has links to a good Miellerwagen reference. I have found a few, like the one rebuild at the UK museum, but there are no detailed images showing the hydrolic lines, air lines, and oxygen lines.

Thanks
Kevin


Check out V2rocket.com-- it's probably the most comprehensive on line reference. By the way, Michael Koenig's photos are great, and I'm thankful he's posted them, but in fact, he he states he couldn't get to the "rear" of the Meillerwagen for photos. His photos were actually taken from the rear-- the Meillerwagen was usually towed from the other end. The example at the Australian War Museum has the tow bar attached at the other end. The four wheel bogie at the front is actually the rear. The Meillerwagen was usually towed into position from the other end, and the four wheeled bogie was used for final adjustments. Once positioned, the Meillerwagen was winched into place by the SS100 through the launching platform for exact positioning. Bert Koopman over at V2rocket.com and I have been discussing this towing issue, and there are plenty of photos on line to confirm what the Takom kit and many of us thought was the "front" of the Meillerwagen is actually the rear. The Takom box art is totally spurious.
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Yes, like many others I have the front and the back of the trailer confused in my comments above. I only became one of the enlightened ones in just the last few minutes. ;-)
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2017 - 05:59 PM UTC
Mike

Thanks, I had seen some of these, others are new to me. Some are helpful, unfortunately, I think I need images of the trailer without the rocket or with the boom in the upright position. All of the lines seem to go up the center of the boom to the hinged end.

@Russ - I have been to that site, while there are some nice images, none are detailed enough to provide the information I am looking for.


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Mike

Thanks, I had seen some of these, others are new to me. Some are helpful, unfortunately, I think I need images of the trailer without the rocket or with the boom in the upright position. All of the lines seem to go up the center of the boom to the hinged end.

@Russ - I have been to that site, while there are some nice images, none are detailed enough to provide the information I am looking for.

Kevin


Try the links Bert offers-- there might be something there.
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Yes, like many others I have the front and the back of the trailer confused in my comments above. I only became one of the enlightened ones in just the last few minutes. ;-)


Michael,
You're not the only one, I believed the "front" had to be where the pointy end of the missile was until we had a discussion a month or so ago with Bert Koopman (V2rocket.com) and began looking at some of the films and photos. Many of us have had it wrong all these years. Obviously Takom thought so too, as they show the towbar at the "rear" end, although they do have the mounting lugs for the tow bar at the "front" end too.
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2017 - 09:23 PM UTC

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I think I need images of the trailer without the rocket or with the boom in the upright position.are some nice images, none are detailed enough to provide the information I am looking for.


Do you know these ?

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g181/railwaygun/V2%20Pics/V2%20Pics/Meillerwagen.jpg~original

https://media.defense.gov/2009/Oct/16/2000453641/-1/-1/0/091016-F-1234S-004.JPG

H.P.
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2017 - 09:44 PM UTC
Frenchy, that first photo is quite interesting! It contains many aspects I was not aware of. Kudos! Mike
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2017 - 10:13 PM UTC
Volker Ruff has 2 new books coming from Panzerwrecks, which should be exactly what you need. Publication dates unknown.

"This book covers the various vehicles for fire control, supply, testing, fuel, trailers such as the ‘Meillerwagen’ and ‘Vidalwagen’, trailers for liquids, gantry cranes and rail cars including the launching railroad wagon. All vehicle types are shown; photographs, detailed drawings, designs and technical specifications based on historical documentation, production rate and deployment of the Division z.V. are part of this documentation."





"This supplementary volume dedicated to the ‘Meillerwagen’ and ‘Starttisch’ is full of technical data, historical reports, patents and information’s of its design company Meiller."

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The first picture is from Peenemunde and out of a Meillerwagen manual.
The second is a very early type of Meillerwagen not used for operational purpus.

The books of Volker Ruff will be a must for every person interested in the V-2 and the vehicles.

Started with my V-2 build as first with the rocket and it looks nice.

Greetings

Bert Koopman
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Posted: Thursday, March 02, 2017 - 04:47 AM UTC
Yes towed from the "tail end"


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Posted: Thursday, March 02, 2017 - 06:58 AM UTC
They towed it backwards like that as a means of self-defense.

In the event enemy forces detected and began to pursue them, they could launch the rocket back at the enemy and blow them up.
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Posted: Thursday, March 02, 2017 - 03:09 PM UTC

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They towed it backwards like that as a means of self-defense.

In the event enemy forces detected and began to pursue them, they could launch the rocket back at the enemy and blow them up.
WHAT YOU SAY IS IMPOSIBLE !! The A-4 could only be launched in a vertical position after loading the fuels also in vertical position !! There are two reasons that the Germans did travel in this way 1e with towing wings in the middle they are protected in curves for damage. 2e the brake system was only working when they pull the trailer at the front the break air-system had only there a connection to the towing vehicle.

With kind regards

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TO ALL Meillerwagen and A-4 builders. my advise is download the report on operation Backfire !!!!!! and read it very well http://www.v2rocket.com/start/chapters/backfire.html you will find a lot of answers notice this is a very large file Greetings from the Netherlands. Bert
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Amazing photo of the front end of the Meillerwagen over at:

http://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/252369&ord=&page=2


(Photo taken by Alan Scheckenbach - Reposted by Michael Beduhn and then reposted again here by Michael Koenig - shown for discussion purposes only.)
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Posted: Thursday, March 02, 2017 - 10:34 PM UTC
Also:

I am now thinking the front (true front) tow bar of the Meillerwagon is a much heavier affair that the rear tow bar.

I believe the rear tow bar is stored directly above the rear dolly.

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They towed it backwards like that as a means of self-defense.

In the event enemy forces detected and began to pursue them, they could launch the rocket back at the enemy and blow them up.
WHAT YOU SAY IS IMPOSIBLE !!

With kind regards

Bert


It was a joke, I hope you realize.
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Michael the so called rear tow bar was a very light constructed tow bar in use for hand steering the rear axle only (Handlenkdeichsel) . This bar was not for towing by a tractor but just for hand-steering. It was stowed away half way the right-side of the trailer structure. The front tow-bar could also mounted at the rear like Takom did . the thing on the picture with the arrow is the fork-piece or in German "GABELSTUCK".

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http://ffsmc.fr/index.php?/category/6
A walkaround of the Hanomag SS-100

enjoy

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