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Dragon's M752 Lance Missile
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 04:41 PM UTC

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The corrected rough dimensions of the Control Surface Container. Quite a difference to what Dragon has provided.
Waiting on some resin items to see if they will pass for the missing equipment boxes.




Oyf.

Maybe they thought the dimensions were in centimeters? How are they in thickness?

KL



Off by just under 1mm. Not enough for me to worry about it and don't think they'll be that noticeable once they're mounted with the tie down straps.
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 03:28 PM UTC

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The corrected rough dimensions of the Control Surface Container. Quite a difference to what Dragon has provided.
Waiting on some resin items to see if they will pass for the missing equipment boxes.




Oyf.

Maybe they thought the dimensions were in centimeters? How are they in thickness?

KL
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 08:49 AM UTC
The corrected rough dimensions of the Control Surface Container. Quite a difference to what Dragon has provided.
Waiting on some resin items to see if they will pass for the missing equipment boxes.

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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 04:14 AM UTC

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Playing around with this a bit more. Although Dragon does provide two (2) Control Surface Containers, they are way too small. Don't know where Dragon got their dimensions from



Probably from a TM illustration with a scale in the corner.

The real ones were 6 x 28 x 56 or 68 inches.

KL
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 02:02 AM UTC
Playing around with this a bit more. Although Dragon does provide two (2) Control Surface Containers, they are way too small. Don't know where Dragon got their dimensions from You can see the kit containers in relation to the control surfaces on the missile. The real containers hold two control surfaces. Also did some preliminary work on correcting the front missile cradle assembly.









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Posted: Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 11:23 PM UTC
[quote]The launcher truss assembly is pretty much done as far what the kit provides. Still need to scratch build the GSU and MP unit storage cases. Also discovered that Dragon only provides one control surface storage case - there should be two.

I stand corrected. There are in fact two control surface storage cases.
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Posted: Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 11:12 PM UTC
For those who are interested, I have two walkaround of the Lance carrier on Primeportal
#1 http://www.primeportal.net/artillery/dieter_krause/m667/index.php?Page=1
#2 http://www.primeportal.net/artillery/dieter_krause/m667_lance/
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Posted: Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 09:41 PM UTC
Test fitting the main hull components. The overall fit is very good. Added one of the control surfaces to the missile body.













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Posted: Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 09:16 AM UTC
The launcher truss assembly is pretty much done as far what the kit provides. Still need to scratch build the GSU and MP unit storage cases. Also discovered that Dragon only provides one control surface storage case - there should be two.







Also started to make some corrections to the control surfaces.


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Posted: Monday, July 03, 2017 - 02:23 AM UTC

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Since they already have the chassis, I wonder if they will release the towed/airmobile version of the Lance-- it doesn't look like it would be to hard to do.
VR, Russ



That would be nice. Like the real thing it was just a mobility kit i.e wheels. You could sling it underneath a 1/35 Chinook. That would make a cool display.



You could also load it inside. Many of the foreign users of the Lance had the towed version, not the tracked.
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Posted: Monday, July 03, 2017 - 12:56 AM UTC
Some areas need some putty to clean up various joins. Ultimate Putty is perfect for this.



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Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 - 07:46 PM UTC
M668 Lance supply vehicle, we need this now
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Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 - 04:59 PM UTC

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Since they already have the chassis, I wonder if they will release the towed/airmobile version of the Lance-- it doesn't look like it would be to hard to do.
VR, Russ



That would be nice. Like the real thing it was just a mobility kit i.e wheels. You could sling it underneath a 1/35 Chinook. That would make a cool display.
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Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 - 04:54 PM UTC

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Is the launcher positionable, say in travel or firing modes?

KL



Yes the launcher itself can be elevated and traversed.
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Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 - 04:22 PM UTC
Is the launcher positionable, say in travel or firing modes?

KL
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Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 - 02:38 PM UTC
Chris,

Keep it up - this is most useful.

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Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 - 12:12 PM UTC
detail not bad.I am going get one.
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Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 - 09:59 AM UTC
Since they already have the chassis, I wonder if they will release the towed/airmobile version of the Lance-- it doesn't look like it would be to hard to do.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 - 09:21 AM UTC
The main truss assembly fit requires some persuasion. The fit of most of the parts is actually very good. Problem with mating the truss to the lower frame may be errors on my part. The instruction sheet is horrible even by Dragon standards.

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Posted: Saturday, July 01, 2017 - 09:22 AM UTC
Could not resist starting this kit. Lots of microscopic parts and the usual awful Dragon instructions. Go slow and look at your references



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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 08:41 AM UTC
Just to clarify, this is not me bashing this kit. Overall pretty happy with what I see. Needs work? Absolutely. First looks tell me they were trying to model a M234 warhead (they actually got a M240 Trainer Round) A bit of scribing will yield the correct result.

To go with the M234 warhead, this requires the large M29 control surfaces. In scale they should measure 4.49cm long and 1.4cm tall at the tallest point. Mixed bag here. Dragon has the overall dimensions pretty close but fails in the over all shape when compared to Hobby Fan. The Hobby Fan is way off in height if they were trying to model the M29 (way way off if doing the smaller M30)

Dragon completely missed the boat with the front Missile cradle. As Pavel pointed out the cradle mounts to the hull body. Hobby Fan has this one right.

These are comparisons of the Dragon and Hobby Fan control surfaces. Not impossible to fix. The Dragon control surfaces measure 4.42cm long and 1.22cm in height.




This is the support brace from the Hobby Fan kit for the forward missile cradle. Again not a huge undertaking to scratch build this.



Here are the missile halves from the Dragon kit. To make a M234 you need an access hatch just above and a bit to the right of the access plate on the right.




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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 08:28 AM UTC

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Man I'm really starting to hate PhotoBucket.

Regards,

Brad.



Yes they suck. In process of getting my pics on IMGUR. Will try to repost my new Lance stuff.



I'm with you both. Photobucket sucks. Too many ads, too slow, too intrusive and now unusable. I say good riddance. Imgur is much better.
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 06:55 AM UTC

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Man I'm really starting to hate PhotoBucket.

Regards,

Brad.



Yes they suck. In process of getting my pics on IMGUR. Will try to repost my new Lance stuff.
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 04:34 AM UTC
Man I'm really starting to hate PhotoBucket.

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Posted: Thursday, June 29, 2017 - 02:59 AM UTC
Just to clarify, this is not me bashing this kit. Overall pretty happy with what I see. Needs work? Absolutely. First looks tell me they were trying to model a M234 warhead (they actually got a M240 Trainer Round) A bit of scribing will yield the correct result.

To go with the M234 warhead, this requires the large M29 control surfaces. In scale they should measure 4.49cm long and 1.4cm tall at the tallest point. Mixed bag here. Dragon has the overall dimensions pretty close but fails in the over all shape when compared to Hobby Fan. The Hobby Fan is way off in height if they were trying to model the M29 (way way off if doing the smaller M30)

Dragon completely missed the boat with the front Missile cradle. As Pavel pointed out the cradle mounts to the hull body. Hobby Fan has this one right.

These are comparisons of the Dragon and Hobby Fan control surfaces. Not impossible to fix. The Dragon control surfaces measure 4.42cm long and 1.22cm in height.





This is the support brace from the Hobby Fan kit for the forward missile cradle. Again not a huge undertaking to scratch build this.



Here are the missile halves from the Dragon kit. To make a M234 you need an access hatch just above and a bit to the right of the access plate on the right.