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Armor/AFV: IDF [Israeli Defense Forces]
Armor and AFVs of the IDF army from 1947-today.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 - 03:07 AM UTC
Had to share these, M48 and M48A1 in IDF service:

1844.


1845.


1846.


1847.


1848.


1849.


1850.


1851.


1852.


1853.


1854.

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Posted: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 - 03:40 AM UTC
Thanks, Nikos! Could you please just number the pictures according to the sequence?

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Posted: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 - 05:54 AM UTC
Numbering done. The first three photos are of a former Jordanian vehicle, check the steel tracks.

1849, 1850 and 1851 were taken during the war of attrition
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Posted: Thursday, January 09, 2020 - 12:19 AM UTC
Thanks, Nikos. Added to index.
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2020 - 12:46 AM UTC
The first Namer prototypes were converted from decommissioned Merkava Mk.1 hulls:

1855.


1856.


The production series however, are being built on Mk.4 chassis with Mk.3 powertrains.

1857.


1858.


1859.


1860.


1861.


1862.


1863.


On evaluation in the US:

1864.


1865.


1866.


1867.

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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2020 - 12:56 AM UTC
1827.



Is this the IDF version of car boot for tracks?
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Posted: Friday, January 17, 2020 - 03:54 AM UTC
The first large-scale deployment of Namers was during operation 'Protective Edge' in 2014.

1868.


1869.


1870.


1871.


1872.
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Posted: Thursday, January 23, 2020 - 11:33 AM UTC
I have such a love hate relationship with this thread. Well, more like I love it, my wallet hates itólots of great subjects to model.

Anyway, in photo 1837, the M577 appears to have a stowage basket attached to the front of the hull. Iíve only ever seen that on an M113. Any more photos of this rarity?

Did the IDF ever use the external fuel tanks on the M577? Iíve seen that configuration on Canadian M577s.

Thanks for posting these!
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2020 - 09:15 PM UTC
New photos added to previous Namer posts.
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2020 - 09:20 PM UTC

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in photo 1837, the M577 appears to have a stowage basket attached to the front of the hull. Iíve only ever seen that on an M113. Any more photos of this rarity?



Well spotted, Sherb. None of the Mugafs I have in my collection seem to have the front storage rack.


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Did the IDF ever use the external fuel tanks on the M577? Iíve seen that configuration on Canadian M577s.



Not according to my photos.
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2020 - 09:46 PM UTC
1873.


1874.


1875.


1876.
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Posted: Saturday, February 01, 2020 - 08:28 PM UTC
1877.


1878.


1879.


1880.


1881.


1882.


1883.


1884.


1885.


1886.


1887.


1888.
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Posted: Sunday, March 22, 2020 - 09:49 PM UTC
1889.


1890.


1891.


1892.


1893.


1894.


1895.


1896.
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Posted: Sunday, March 22, 2020 - 10:00 PM UTC
Trophy equipped examples:

1897.


1898.


1899.


1900.


1901.


1902.


1903.


1904.



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Posted: Friday, March 27, 2020 - 04:06 AM UTC
1905.


1906.


1907.


1908.


1909.


1910.


1911.


1912.


1913.


1914.


1915.
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Posted: Friday, March 27, 2020 - 04:11 AM UTC
With so many references of the Namer floating around I wonder why no major plastic company makes it. Every company that has a Merkava Mk. IV, it could be easy.
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Posted: Friday, March 27, 2020 - 04:38 AM UTC

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With so many references of the Namer floating around I wonder why no major plastic company makes it. Every company that has a Merkava Mk. IV, it could be easy.



Are you certain that it is a Mk4 hull?
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Posted: Friday, March 27, 2020 - 05:46 AM UTC
I have read that they have used Mk.I hulls.
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Posted: Friday, March 27, 2020 - 05:52 AM UTC

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I have read that they have used Mk.I hulls.



The prototypes were MkI hulls.

The hull really looks like a Mk4 but the wheel spacing is a bit different judging by photos and the front glacis angles look as if it is a Mk3.
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Posted: Friday, March 27, 2020 - 06:08 AM UTC

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Quoted Text

I have read that they have used Mk.I hulls.



The prototypes were MkI hulls.

The hull really looks like a Mk4 but the wheel spacing is a bit different judging by photos and the front glacis angles look as if it is a Mk3.



Correct. The hull of production series Namers is indeed based on that of the Mk.4, but the power train and the entire running gear (including the tracks) are identical to those of the Mk.3.
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2020 - 05:36 AM UTC
Hi Israel,

You are not entirely correct on this. Some of the early Namers that are in service, were built on the Merkava 3 chassis, not that of the Merkava 4. The intention was to introduce a batch of vehicles as soon as possible. They are the ones you can see with Merkava 3 suspension and tracks. The majority of Namers are built on the Merkava 4 chassis and have the Merk 4 running gear, suspension etc.

If you have access to Robert Manasherab's book Israeli Wild and Cruel Cats Volume 5 on the Namer, there is a discussion on this and some nice photos of the two variants in service together.
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2020 - 05:55 AM UTC
Thanks for your input, Marsh.


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The majority of Namers are built on the Merkava 4 chassis and have the Merk 4 running gear, suspension etc.



But the Mk.3 power train, right?

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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2020 - 05:57 AM UTC

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Hi Israel,

You are not entirely correct on this. Some of the early Namers that are in service, were built on the Merkava 3 chassis, not that of the Merkava 4. The intention was to introduce a batch of vehicles as soon as possible. They are the ones you can see with Merkava 3 suspension and tracks. The majority of Namers are built on the Merkava 4 chassis and have the Merk 4 running gear, suspension etc.

If you have access to Robert Manasherab's book Israeli Wild and Cruel Cats Volume 5 on the Namer, there is a discussion on this and some nice photos of the two variants in service together.



That is some very valuable info. MAny thanks.

Edit: Looking at the photos above I think that the Mk3 chassis vehicles have a split cover at the foremost part of the engine deck (diagonal split hatches) while the Mk4 chassis vehicles have one single piece cover on the foremost part of the engine deck. Plus the front hull geometry difference and wheel spacing.
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2020 - 06:12 AM UTC
Interesting the cupola appears to be the Chrysler one but with all the .50 cal fittings removed.
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2020 - 06:20 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Thanks for your input, Marsh.


Quoted Text

The majority of Namers are built on the Merkava 4 chassis and have the Merk 4 running gear, suspension etc.



But the Mk.3 power train, right?




Yep!