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Armor/AFV: IDF [Israeli Defense Forces]
Armor and AFVs of the IDF army from 1947-today.
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Posted: Friday, March 27, 2020 - 05:52 AM UTC

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I have read that they have used Mk.I hulls.



The prototypes were MkI hulls.

The hull really looks like a Mk4 but the wheel spacing is a bit different judging by photos and the front glacis angles look as if it is a Mk3.
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Posted: Friday, March 27, 2020 - 05:46 AM UTC
I have read that they have used Mk.I hulls.
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Posted: Friday, March 27, 2020 - 04:38 AM UTC

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With so many references of the Namer floating around I wonder why no major plastic company makes it. Every company that has a Merkava Mk. IV, it could be easy.



Are you certain that it is a Mk4 hull?
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Posted: Friday, March 27, 2020 - 04:11 AM UTC
With so many references of the Namer floating around I wonder why no major plastic company makes it. Every company that has a Merkava Mk. IV, it could be easy.
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Posted: Friday, March 27, 2020 - 04:06 AM UTC
1905.


1906.


1907.


1908.


1909.


1910.


1911.


1912.


1913.


1914.


1915.
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Posted: Sunday, March 22, 2020 - 10:00 PM UTC
Trophy equipped examples:

1897.


1898.


1899.


1900.


1901.


1902.


1903.


1904.



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Posted: Sunday, March 22, 2020 - 09:49 PM UTC
1889.


1890.


1891.


1892.


1893.


1894.


1895.


1896.
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Posted: Saturday, February 01, 2020 - 08:28 PM UTC
1877.


1878.


1879.


1880.


1881.


1882.


1883.


1884.


1885.


1886.


1887.


1888.
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2020 - 09:46 PM UTC
1873.


1874.


1875.


1876.
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2020 - 09:20 PM UTC

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in photo 1837, the M577 appears to have a stowage basket attached to the front of the hull. Ive only ever seen that on an M113. Any more photos of this rarity?



Well spotted, Sherb. None of the Mugafs I have in my collection seem to have the front storage rack.


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Did the IDF ever use the external fuel tanks on the M577? Ive seen that configuration on Canadian M577s.



Not according to my photos.
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2020 - 09:15 PM UTC
New photos added to previous Namer posts.
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Posted: Thursday, January 23, 2020 - 11:33 AM UTC
I have such a love hate relationship with this thread. Well, more like I love it, my wallet hates itlots of great subjects to model.

Anyway, in photo 1837, the M577 appears to have a stowage basket attached to the front of the hull. Ive only ever seen that on an M113. Any more photos of this rarity?

Did the IDF ever use the external fuel tanks on the M577? Ive seen that configuration on Canadian M577s.

Thanks for posting these!
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Posted: Friday, January 17, 2020 - 03:54 AM UTC
The first large-scale deployment of Namers was during operation 'Protective Edge' in 2014.

1868.


1869.


1870.


1871.


1872.
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2020 - 12:56 AM UTC
1827.



Is this the IDF version of car boot for tracks?
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2020 - 12:46 AM UTC
The first Namer prototypes were converted from decommissioned Merkava Mk.1 hulls:

1855.


1856.


The production series however, are being built on Mk.4 chassis with Mk.3 powertrains.

1857.


1858.


1859.


1860.


1861.


1862.


1863.


On evaluation in the US:

1864.


1865.


1866.


1867.

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Posted: Thursday, January 09, 2020 - 12:19 AM UTC
Thanks, Nikos. Added to index.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 - 05:54 AM UTC
Numbering done. The first three photos are of a former Jordanian vehicle, check the steel tracks.

1849, 1850 and 1851 were taken during the war of attrition
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Posted: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 - 03:40 AM UTC
Thanks, Nikos! Could you please just number the pictures according to the sequence?

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Posted: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 - 03:07 AM UTC
Had to share these, M48 and M48A1 in IDF service:

1844.


1845.


1846.


1847.


1848.


1849.


1850.


1851.


1852.


1853.


1854.

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Posted: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 - 11:54 PM UTC

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Is it mounted on Mk4's or did the Trophy system alleviate the need for it?



I only see 'Droids' on non-Trophy equipped vehicles (including Mk.4s). The Trophy, being a hard-kill system, is apparently able to detect and intercept a wider variety of AT weapons hence alleviates the need for it.



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Posted: Sunday, December 29, 2019 - 04:41 AM UTC

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Thanks. I guess the Droid was an answer to the gaps of this device in terms of area covered.

ddd

I never understood the role of "the droid". I get that it was apparently a laser warning (and possible jammer) system but it always seemed to be issued on a very restricted basis. In every pic I've seen of tanks in the field, at best only 1 out of every 5 or so had this installed. Not sure if this unit was able to provide protection for the entire unit or the IDF just never got around to fielding it widespread?

Is the droid still in service? Is it mounted on Mk4's or did the Trophy system alleviate the need for it?
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Posted: Sunday, December 29, 2019 - 02:16 AM UTC
Thanks! I planned to leave them off and now I know its historically accurate.
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2019 - 07:34 PM UTC

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I have a question about the "ball and Chain" armour in Merkava Mk. Is. Was it used in 1982 war and if yes,was it used from the beginning?



Not from the very beginning but at least some of tanks did receive them during the war.

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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2019 - 09:25 AM UTC
Thanks for sharing these pictures. I have lately developed interest in IDF armor during 1982 Lebanon war. Iam currently building AFV-Clubs Centurion and next kit in my workbench will be Takoms Merkava Mk.I. I have a question about the "ball and Chain" armour in Merkava Mk. Is. Was it used in 1982 war and if yes,was it used from the beginning?
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2019 - 06:09 AM UTC
Thanks. I guess the Droid was an answer to the gaps of this device in terms of area covered.