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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 01:05 AM UTC


We just got the latest news from PanzerArt.

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If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 01:13 AM UTC
Could PanzerArt have known that M113 roadwheels were needed for the M752 and probably also the M727 from Dragon? / Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 01:36 AM UTC
Good road wheels are needed for all earlier M113 family kits. Only the new AFV Club kit has really good wheels.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 03:14 AM UTC
The radiator grill for the sdkfz 8 is quite nice!
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 04:40 AM UTC
Sweeeet -- good stuff
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 07:29 AM UTC
Excellent. Thank you PanzerArt. Now I don't have to use the Academy 113 wheels on my Lance SPL.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 05:20 PM UTC

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Excellent. Thank you PanzerArt. Now I don't have to use the Academy 113 wheels on my Lance SPL.

It may be just as cheap to buy some Acad. M113s at shows for the wheels plus the extras for the spares box (if the Acad. wheels are as good)
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 06:34 PM UTC

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if the Acad. wheels are as good



AFAIK, they're just clones of the Tamiya ones...

H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 07:02 PM UTC
This is not a copy of Tamiya. Our wheel was designed in 3D based on wheel documentation. The wheel of Tamiya is very old, simplistic and has bad dimensions
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 07:04 PM UTC

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This is not a copy of Tamiya. Our wheel was designed in 3D based on wheel documentation. The wheel of Tamiya is very old, simplistic and has bad dimensions



I was talking about the ACADEMY ones....

H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 08:26 PM UTC
I just received the PanzerArt M113 wheels today and they look great! Easily WAY better than any earlier M113 family kit wheels out there, maybe with exception of new AFV Club kit. Details are excellent and in scale, casting clean and molding blocks small and easy to remove.

There are two minor "issues". One is actually a result of very accurate dimensions - the outer and inner wheels are so close that guide horns of some older tracks may not fit without thinning them or adding thin distance rings between wheels.

The other issue is a small inaccuracy in PanzerArt wheels - in real wheels the rivets are on a small "bulge". It is represented - and actually slightly overdone - in the new AFV Club kit, but missing in PanzerArt wheels. But compared to all other kit wheels, the PanzerArt's are huge improvement.

Also the rivets and wear ring are not represented on the rear side of the wheels, but considering how close the wheels are, those details would not be visible anyway, so it's not a problem at all in my opinion.



This photo from PrimePortal shows the "bulge" under rivets:



Oups, I just noticed another issue in PanzerArt wheels - there are correct 8 bolts on the outer wheel, but 10 bolts on the inner wheel! To be honest, I don't care
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Friday, October 13, 2017 - 03:44 AM UTC

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The other issue is a small inaccuracy in PanzerArt wheels - in real wheels the rivets are on a small "bulge". It is represented - and actually slightly overdone - in the new AFV Club kit, but missing in PanzerArt wheels. But compared to all other kit wheels, the PanzerArt's are huge improvement.



Actually the rivets are on a flat between concave and convex toroidal sections.



I think the PanzerArt may look off because they are not undercut.

KL
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Posted: Friday, October 13, 2017 - 10:57 AM UTC

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Actually the rivets are on a flat between concave and convex toroidal sections


Yes, but it creates the illusion of the "bulge", or additional convex ring.


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I think the PanzerArt may look off because they are not undercut.

KL


They are undercut, but the undercut profile is not as deep as it should be to be 100% accurate. I'm not sure if fully correct undercut would be achievable for one piece resin part. I doubt the silicon mold would survive removal of the part. I guess that's why PanzerArt made it shallower than it should be. But it is certainly there.
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Posted: Friday, October 13, 2017 - 06:28 PM UTC
Would love to see the AMX 13 wheels in flesh. I don't trust CAD drawings. The weld beads do not look right to me.
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Posted: Friday, June 01, 2018 - 06:19 AM UTC
Finally was able to get my hands on a set of 113 wheels. Well worth the search and wait. They look terrific and I'll be ordering a couple more sets.