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Egyptian M4/FL 10 Sherman
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Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 09:21 AM UTC
Would the British Sherman Mk. III Dragon #6313 kit be good/used for a Eyptian M4/FL 10 Sherman converison

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Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 12:04 PM UTC
Like this one ??


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Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 05:44 PM UTC
Hi, i have the dragon kit shown. It is based on the m4a4 heavily modified. Refered to also m4a4 tranforme. A sherman v would be the best starting point.regards jason
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Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 06:16 PM UTC
The FL-10 conversions were all on M4A4 Sherman V hulls. The prototype in France was on an M4A1. So no, an M4A2 Sherman III is not the right starting point.

You may be slightly confused because Egypt did have some M4A2 75mm tanks. The FL-10 conversions had the A4's A57 multibank petrol engine replaced with the GM6046 twin diesel taken from those M4A2s, which were considered obsolete. The exhaust was fitted below the rear overhang. You may well ask why they didn't just convert the M4A2s in the first place. But they didn't.
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Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 07:45 PM UTC

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I already have a turret, just need the lower hull

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Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 08:41 PM UTC

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I already have a turret, just need the lower hull

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Then you only need to get a turretless M4A4 somewhere
Asuka/Tasca have one:
http://tasca-shop.ocnk.net/product/84
Dragon also have a few variants
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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2018 - 02:33 AM UTC

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Now if I can sell the Hobby Boss French EBR-10 I have (I was going to use the turret) I would get the Dragon kit

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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2018 - 03:58 AM UTC

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Now if I can sell the Hobby Boss French EBR-10 I have (I was going to use the turret) I would get the Dragon kit

Billy







the M4A4 they use was re engined with the twin gm deisels


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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2018 - 04:12 AM UTC
Dragon kit = very poor value for money. You might be better off keeping the EBR and getting hold of a Dragon M4A4 (same basic kit!) and a TMD exhaust muffler. You should find an M4A2 engine deck in the M4A4 kit anyway. I have a Cyber Hobby M4A4 boxing and it certainly has the A2 deck and rear plate in it. In fact every Dragon M4 I have seems to have the A2 deck parts included. You just need a piece of card for the extra plate to fill the gap between the A2 deck and the A4 hull, as done on the real thing. The FL10 conversion retained the M4A4 style rear plate. A TMD M4A2 muffler is $6.50.
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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2018 - 04:38 AM UTC

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Dragon kit = very poor value for money. You might be better off keeping the EBR and getting hold of a Dragon M4A4 (same basic kit!) and a TMD exhaust muffler. You should find an M4A2 engine deck in the M4A4 kit anyway. I have a Cyber Hobby M4A4 boxing and it certainly has the A2 deck and rear plate in it. In fact every Dragon M4 I have seems to have the A2 deck parts included. You just need a piece of card for the extra plate to fill the gap between the A2 deck and the A4 hull, as done on the real thing. The FL10 conversion retained the M4A4 style rear plate. A TMD M4A2 muffler is $6.50.



Have the parts to do just that. I also picked this up for the gap.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/5XXYLYEW2/amx-sherman-turretring-adapter?optionId=43711200

If I recall, been a long time ago, the dragon hole is a little smaller then Tasca, so some slight sanding is in order to fit.

HTH
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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2018 - 09:54 AM UTC

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Now if I can sell the Hobby Boss French EBR-10 I have (I was going to use the turret) I would get the Dragon kit

Billy



That's your best bet. The Hobby Boss turret is based on the old Heller item and the front portion of the turret base is too thin. Not noticeable if the canvas shroud is fitted, but a big problem if you want to do the early version fitted to the M4A4. The model part should have an edge two millimeters thick, onto which an L-section rubber gasket was bolted to seal the joint. Dragon includes this (however, they also include the mount for the canvas shroud, which will have to be sanded off).
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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2018 - 01:56 PM UTC
Hi, regsrding the EBR chassis that you have, have you considered a driver training version of the EBR? This used an unarmoured fixed turret. Not everyone's first choice but an alternative use for it. Or how about a scrapyard scene involving a turretless EBR being scrapped/

regards Jason
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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2018 - 03:59 PM UTC

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Hi, regsrding the EBR chassis that you have, have you considered a driver training version of the EBR? This used an unarmoured fixed turret. Not everyone's first choice but an alternative use for it. Or how about a scrapyard scene involving a turretless EBR being scrapped/

regards Jason



A turretless EBR (two actually were ready to go) used as a hearse for De Gaulle's funeral.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 - 02:40 AM UTC
EBR-VTT APC conversion? Or how about backdating it to one of the prototypes? The pre-war 201 40P prototype with the original oscillating turret with the 20mm gun - the one apparently lost somewhere in N Africa - or the post-war EBR-201 with the non-oscillating and relatively simple FL3 turret.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 - 03:11 AM UTC


The Chaffee turret can be reused as well:

/ Robin
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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 - 03:20 AM UTC

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Hi, regsrding the EBR chassis that you have, have you considered a driver training version of the EBR? This used an unarmoured fixed turret. Not everyone's first choice but an alternative use for it. Or how about a scrapyard scene involving a turretless EBR being scrapped/

regards Jason



Unfortunately I'm only doing Mid-east vehicles which means the left overs will be on the shelf unless I can sell or trade them


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Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2018 - 05:29 AM UTC
I found a OLD Dragon M4A4 w/60 Ib. rocket kit #6041 in my hobby room

I found it in the back on the shelf

After blowing off the half inch of dust I checked it out and it should work

As a bonus it comes with a early Sherman turret which I can mount to a Tamiya M4A2 hull to build the IDF "Tamar" Sherman


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Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2018 - 02:54 PM UTC
Old? It's from 1995. But it certainly has not aged well. That issue M4A4 kit had the initial Dragon hull which had some problems. Too long for one thing. If I remember correctly you had to saw off like a 1/8 inch of the very rear?

Once upon a time the MP models conversion hull was seen by many as superior and that was a crude piece of plastic, but it was 1995 after all.
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Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2018 - 05:35 PM UTC

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The Chaffee turret can be reused as well:

/ Robin



Hey Robin...old friend/buddy/pal...got any more photos of those turret/chassis mixes???
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Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2018 - 05:54 PM UTC
I asked Google about it and took the first picture which looked interesting.
If you spin the roulette wheel of Google search then maybe your lucky number comes up
/ Robin

https://www.google.com/search?q=AMX-13+tourelle+Chaffee&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivpdagp4_bAhXDIpoKHcIpBHoQ_AUICigB&biw=1474&bih=957
There is a kit by Takom for the AMX-13 with Chaffee turret.
The Chaffees with FL-10 or FL-11 turret seems to be a lot less common, maybe it was only an experiment ...