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M911 C-HET comparison - HB vs Meng
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Posted: Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 05:03 AM UTC
Excellent pics and info Gino.

Thanks, this info helps alot.

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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 - 06:58 AM UTC
I guess the binders can be configured in a few ways.

The hooks can attache directly to them.


Or the cahin can connect to them directly.


Used like such...



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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 - 06:24 AM UTC
Thanks Gino. Makes sense now!
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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 - 05:34 AM UTC

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I bought the shapeways chain binders but, having 0 experience with this medium.....HELP!

Can anyone assist with turning these into chain binders? I just gaze at the complex shape and wonder: cut that off, or cut this off.




Are you talking about this set that I showed above?



If so, I have marked the cut points in the below pic with red lines. The binder is in a "T" shape (green lines). It is the tube part with the pointy handle attached. The chains attach to each end of the tube and the hooks go on the opposite ends of the chains.

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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 - 04:56 AM UTC
I bought the shapeways chain binders but, having 0 experience with this medium.....HELP!

Can anyone assist with turning these into chain binders? I just gaze at the complex shape and wonder: cut that off, or cut this off.

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Posted: Friday, February 21, 2020 - 07:10 AM UTC
Thanks Chris. Thats really helpful, especially as I plan to build Tamiya's M60 for a load.
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Posted: Friday, February 21, 2020 - 06:44 AM UTC
I bought my ties and chain from accurate armour as said.
I have 2 chains crossed at the front D shackles and 3 chains at the rear 2 crossed to D shackles and1 chain through tow hook to trailer frame. That seems to be sufficient from my experience. For a road move, if x country I would take chains from the anchor points behind the lights on an M60A2 which is the load I have on mine.
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Posted: Friday, February 21, 2020 - 05:53 AM UTC
I feel really dim after whining on about "moulded" tie down rings. The HobbyBoss trailer features the appropriate separate rings and thanks to Gino, I now have the necessary chains.

Just got to work out what to cut and where..........

The M747 trailer is going together well and im really enjoying this build.
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Posted: Friday, February 07, 2020 - 07:25 AM UTC

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I bought the ties from accurate armour US Modern set.



Thanks Chris, got a link for those?

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They are pictured in my above post w/a link to Accuarate Armour in blue. Scroll down until you see the pic of them at Accurate Armour. You will have to click on "Load More Items" at the bottom a couple of times to see them.



Thanks Gino. I took a look and they look great, as do your pics. Ive gone with the 3d ones for now but am looking for a good source of d-rings to replace the moulded ones on the trailer sides. 2 M747 and 1 M1000, with others to follow.
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Posted: Thursday, February 06, 2020 - 06:06 AM UTC

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I bought the ties from accurate armour US Modern set.



Thanks Chris, got a link for those?

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They are pictured in my above post w/a link to Accuarate Armour in blue. Scroll down until you see the pic of them at Accurate Armour. You will have to click on "Load More Items" at the bottom a couple of times to see them.
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Posted: Thursday, February 06, 2020 - 04:55 AM UTC

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Trying to find some decent pics of tanks tied down. I bought the ties from accurate armour US Modern set.



Thanks Chris, got a link for those?

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Posted: Thursday, February 06, 2020 - 04:40 AM UTC
Trying to find some decent pics of tanks tied down. I bought the ties from accurate armour US Modern set.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 09:17 AM UTC

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Thanks Gino. So if I understand you, the d-rings on the trailer sides should be replaced with ones in the "opened/raised" position as they would be under tension from the chain binders?



You got it.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 08:50 AM UTC
Thanks Gino. So if I understand you, the d-rings on the trailer sides should be replaced with ones in the "opened/raised" position as they would be under tension from the chain binders?

I've since found pics of chains passing down into the trailer frame but your advice is really helpful.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 06:56 AM UTC
NOw I am following. The d-rings on the sides are the primary tie-down points. As you see below, there are square cut-outs in the trailer deck. These are to pass the chains through and connect to the d-rings on the sides. There are also tie-down points on the insides of the frame rails.

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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 06:36 AM UTC

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Here's a question: One feature of both M911/M747 kits is the moulded-in-place tie down points on the trailer sides

Why oh why do this? Other cargo vehicles, that may or may not use their tie downs every time, get individual fittings. MTVR, M939 etc.

But doesn't a transporters load get tied-down every time?


I'm not sure I am following you. Do you mean the tie-down loops on the sides of the trailer. If so, they are just extra tie-down points if needed.



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I also had an excellent experience buying T-10 spruces from MENG. The customer service is excellent.



Pet peave of mine. The runners that hold model parts are sprues, s-p-r-u-e-s, no c. A spruce is a tree; spruces are multiple spruce trees.




Stupid me. I thought the trailer side d-rings were the principal tie down points. So presumably with the blocks under each end of the tracks/each vehicle wheel, where do those
chain binders hook up? I ordered 2 sets from Shapeways yesterday btw.

Thanks Gino, youre being a great help to me.

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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 02:15 AM UTC

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Here's a question: One feature of both M911/M747 kits is the moulded-in-place tie down points on the trailer sides

Why oh why do this? Other cargo vehicles, that may or may not use their tie downs every time, get individual fittings. MTVR, M939 etc.

But doesn't a transporters load get tied-down every time?


I'm not sure I am following you. Do you mean the tie-down loops on the sides of the trailer. If so, they are just extra tie-down points if needed.



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I also had an excellent experience buying T-10 spruces from MENG. The customer service is excellent.



Pet peave of mine. The runners that hold model parts are sprues, s-p-r-u-e-s, no c. A spruce is a tree; spruces are multiple spruce trees.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 02:07 AM UTC
I also had an excellent experience buying T-10 spruces from MENG. The customer service is excellent.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 - 06:40 AM UTC
Thanks Gino, very useful info and I will check it out. I did some time in a green suit, I had nothing to do with tank transportation.

Here's a question: One feature of both M911/M747 kits is the moulded-in-place tie down points on the trailer sides

Why oh why do this? Other cargo vehicles, that may or may not use their tie downs every time, get individual fittings. MTVR, M939 etc.

But doesn't a transporters load get tied-down every time?

Thanks again for the pics and info.
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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2020 - 06:43 AM UTC

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Id be really interested to see pics and a description of how you did the tie downs!



This manual shows the standard tie down for tanks. For the chain binders, you can find them at Shapeways by our own Matt Leese (mdlbldrmatt135) at his Down Range Productions Shapeways store.

Link to buy


Accurate Armour out of Scotland also offers a couple different types of chain binders.

Set 1 WW2/Post WW2


Set 2 Cold War


Set 3 Modern


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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2020 - 05:50 AM UTC

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Will do I've just got to bring it all together and then do the tie downs tank to trailer.



Id be really interested to see pics and a description of how you did the tie downs!
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Posted: Friday, January 31, 2020 - 10:11 PM UTC
Will do I've just got to bring it all together and then do the tie downs tank to trailer.
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Posted: Friday, January 31, 2020 - 05:18 AM UTC

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Hi I've built the Hobby Boss M911 and M747 Trailer, I'm in the process of building an M60A2 for the load. I did my history and they were carried by the tractor and trailer.



Hi Chris. Thanks for that. I had wondered how the USMC moved their M60's around. Another poster confirmed M911 was used for this job. The HB kit is a great build and Ive a Tamiya M60 to build after this ones complete.
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Posted: Friday, January 31, 2020 - 04:00 AM UTC
Chris, post some pics
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Posted: Friday, January 31, 2020 - 03:19 AM UTC
Hi I've built the Hobby Boss M911 and M747 Trailer, I'm in the process of building an M60A2 for the load. I did my history and they were carried by the tractor and trailer.