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Tamiya M551 Sheridan
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Posted: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 - 10:54 PM UTC
I stand corrected on the bustle rack. Still, I would have at least like having the option to build the tank with the bustle rack.

Anyway, check out this link guys. Some really awesome close up pics of the new Tamiya offering.

https://www.how-amps.org/tamiya-35365-135-us-light-tank-m551-sheridan/

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Posted: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 - 11:05 PM UTC



thank you ! they do look good !
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Posted: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 - 11:41 PM UTC
Field made rack + RPG screen :



Full size

H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 - 11:57 PM UTC

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Hello Al,

The chain link fence or expanded metal mesh may have served as a brush guard. However, I have been led to believe that it's primary purpose was to serve as an RPG screen.

I know that this is the reason most often given for tracks and M48's carrying a roll along with ground stakes. Was it different for the Sheridan?

Respectfully,

Allen




Hi, Allen. Yes chain link fence was used as a means of protection from RPGs. But, It was usually set up a few feet in front of the vehicle when lagered down for the night. I doubt it would be effective that close to the hull. Even modern bar armor is spaced away from the hull or turret a bit. Al
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Posted: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 - 11:59 PM UTC
Found this interesting pic of a Sheridan with a gas can rack on the rear.



Google is my friend. Al
Removed by original poster on 10/04/18 - 13:48:42 (GMT).
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 01:55 AM UTC
Anybody got plans for the MAASTER scheme on the M551?

MJH
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 07:23 AM UTC

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It was a field mod, to keep tree branches from smacking the driver in the face when driving through heavy bush with his hatch open.





H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 08:31 AM UTC

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I've never seen the contraption at the front, it must be a field mod, since it would certainly interfere with the floatations gear, which leans out from the hull in the front.
VR, Russ



It was a field mod, to keep tree branches from smacking the driver in the face when driving through heavy bush with his hatch open. There were variations. I scratch-built one when I did the 'ancient' Tamiya Sheridan. Never saw it hang so low though. Al



Yep I figured that. But I have a funny story about those "tree branches". We didn't put any screening over the front of our M551s, because we never experienced a problem with tree branches in the driver's face. But one day while road marching in Germany, my driver and I (I was the TC) decided we could take a "short cut" off a paved road down a fairly steep embankment which was heavily wooded with 5"-10" diameter fir trees. My driver was avoiding the large trees, but having a great time flattening the smaller trees. About half way down the slope, the track skidded sideways and we smacked square into several larger trees, snapping off branches at about hull level. When we Lagered that night, I hopped off the track only to find several 3"-4" diameter tree branches sticking about a foot straight out of the side of the "hull". Those trees definitely got thier revenge. The M551 outer hull is actually a thin veneer of aluminum over a yellowish polystyrene foam designed to aid flotation. This encloses the thicker, inner aluminum hull. You could actually hammer a nail through the side if you wanted too. When we returned to the motor pool, my troop commander had our troop Motor Sergeant go to the mess hall and get several #10 coffee can lids. The motor Sergeant handed them to my crew with a rivet gun and said-- "you guys had lots of fun-- now fix it". We spent the rest of that afternoon riveting tin can lids over the holes and painting them.
VR, Russ



I once saw a Sheridan with three fifty cal case driven into the side of it. TC said they were fifty one cal bullet holes plugged with the empty cases! Best one was an M113 with a case drove into the gas tank to plug a hole!
Gary
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 08:35 AM UTC

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Anybody got plans for the MAASTER scheme on the M551?

MJH



Mark - what ho!

As it happens my Sheridan (Academy) will be in MASSTER - it's just that completion is some way off given my propensity for going off at tangents.

The only actual plan I've seen is on Panzerbaer (Tarnschemen) and although the colour dispersion/ratio looks about right it doesn't seem to bear much relation to the various pictures I've encountered - not least in the excellent Tankograd series.

Zapper on this site sent me some very useful photos and I'm sure he won't mind me sharing them with you; best way probably is to send my a PM with your civvy email and I'll get them across to you.

They won't assist much in any views from above but are immensely atmospheric and inspiring - or at least to me!

Brian
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 08:41 AM UTC

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Where is the turret basket though? Academy's M551 Nam version had a really nice one.

I can't understand why Tamiya has not included one. All Nam versions had them (from all the pics I have seen).



The rack on a Sheridan was torched off pretty quickly after being issued. Very few were similar, but except for the three quarter CAV. They all were similar.
Most were built up on the turret and a few even used the original rack as a starting point. I have seen them with chicken wire, chain link fence, and even engineers stakes. It was whatever you could lay your hands on, or steal.
Gary
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 10:44 AM UTC

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Anybody got plans for the MAASTER scheme on the M551?

MJH



Mark,

The downloadable high res pics in this link of Germany based M551s in MASSTER should be good enough to re-create an accurate scheme. Love those Cold War pics!

https://picryl.com/media/members-of-the-11th-armored-cavalry-deploy-from-an-m113a1-armored-personnel-08efb4
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 01:33 PM UTC
I'm looking forward to scratch building the rack, can make any design found in historical photos.
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 02:42 PM UTC

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I'm looking forward to scratch building the rack, can make any design found in historical photos.



I was in 2/11 ACR from '76-'80, when we transitioned to the M60A3. None of our M551s had anything but the standard rack, as far as I can remember. So you should check your sources, time periods and units before "cutting up" your kit. On the other hand, many of our M60A1s in the Tank Company had a "47 box" added (the cargo box from an M-47--which we had "commandeered" from a train load of French M-47s that had come in as targets at Grafenwhor). But as far as I remember, we were not allowed to mod the cargo racks on the Sheridan (one reason I remember this is because it was always a struggle to get all our gear on the tank-- and in many cases we were allowed an extra bag on the accompanying scout tracks. It had something to do with the turn-in criteria for V Corps and USAREUR. I also don't remember any mods at Fort Knox on the training M551s. Mods during VN for all units were common though.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 07:30 PM UTC

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The downloadable high res pics in this link of Germany based M551s in MASSTER should be good enough to re-create an accurate scheme.



Here's the other side of the M551 :

https://picryl.com/media/members-of-the-11th-armored-cavalry-deploy-around-an-m551-sheridan-light-tank-76065b?zoom=true

and a partial front view :

https://picryl.com/media/members-of-the-11th-armored-cavalry-deploy-around-an-m551-sheridan-light-tank-18e628?zoom=true

Another one :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bronpancerna/26400924581/sizes/o/

H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 11:15 PM UTC
More RPG screen :

http://militarymashup.com/mmu_get_jpeg.php?0e5936b68f27d1f1c0284dc5448d9270e

http://militarymashup.com/mmu_get_jpeg.php?050717c89bfd7c1d4d7b59aa100c7e8d4

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Posted: Friday, October 05, 2018 - 06:56 PM UTC
I wish Tamiya would include more clear parts in their AFV/tank kits like the other manufacturers but still must pick one of these up.
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2018 - 03:30 AM UTC
David, looking closely at photos of the built-up kit it looks like there are clear parts for the headlights and the driver's periscopes. They can be seen on photos of the gray plastic or gray primered one. I think it looks like a slick little kit of an important vehicle. I do hope a Desert Storm vehicle follows this one. I also can't wait for someone to do a full review of the vehicle to see if it addresses the shortcomings in the shape of the old Tamiya and newer Academy models.

Regards,

Eric
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2018 - 07:02 AM UTC
Tamiya's new type 16 has a nice size sprue of clear item. This one should too.
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2018 - 12:52 PM UTC

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David, looking closely at photos of the built-up kit it looks like there are clear parts for the headlights and the driver's periscopes. They can be seen on photos of the gray plastic or gray primered one. I think it looks like a slick little kit of an important vehicle. I do hope a Desert Storm vehicle follows this one. I also can't wait for someone to do a full review of the vehicle to see if it addresses the shortcomings in the shape of the old Tamiya and newer Academy models.

Regards,

Eric





Unless I'm looking at the wrong pics a bit hard to make out but hopefully. ALso nice to see link and length track too (unlike the new Stuart).
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2018 - 12:53 PM UTC

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Tamiya's new type 16 has a nice size sprue of clear item. This one should too.




A nice trend to continue.
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2018 - 12:55 PM UTC

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I'm looking forward to scratch building the rack, can make any design found in historical photos.



I was in 2/11 ACR from '76-'80, when we transitioned to the M60A3. None of our M551s had anything but the standard rack, as far as I can remember. So you should check your sources, time periods and units before "cutting up" your kit. On the other hand, many of our M60A1s in the Tank Company had a "47 box" added (the cargo box from an M-47--which we had "commandeered" from a train load of French M-47s that had come in as targets at Grafenwhor). But as far as I remember, we were not allowed to mod the cargo racks on the Sheridan (one reason I remember this is because it was always a struggle to get all our gear on the tank-- and in many cases we were allowed an extra bag on the accompanying scout tracks. It had something to do with the turn-in criteria for V Corps and USAREUR. I also don't remember any mods at Fort Knox on the training M551s. Mods during VN for all units were common though.
VR, Russ



I remember seeing those M47 boxes when I was at Graf in 1AD.
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2018 - 12:59 PM UTC

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very good figures:-)



Very good, indeed! Thanks for the pictures, Kiyoshi. Tamiya has come a long way since the days of undersized, under-detailed, laughable figures...




Their figures are getting better but one set of figures I wish they'd redo again is the first bunch of figures they ever did......the German Army Infantry.

They redid them a few years ago but they weren't very good at all.
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Posted: Sunday, October 07, 2018 - 07:09 AM UTC
Sheridan at 03:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fTHHxSpRg4
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Posted: Sunday, October 07, 2018 - 05:24 PM UTC
Unbelievable!! Look here from Rye Field Models---
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=272145
Two Sheridans in one week from two different manufacturers!!! How unbelievable is that!!! And this new one is the post 'Nam version!
VR, Russ