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German trench scissors binoculars query
jrutman
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Posted: Thursday, December 06, 2018 - 01:40 PM UTC
Anyone(um hum,Frenchy) have a pic of the case for these binos? They are the kind usually seen mounted on a wooden telescoping tripod. The tripod has a canvas case but the binos have a box-like case. I need to know what this case looked like with its' straps,etc.
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Posted: Thursday, December 06, 2018 - 04:56 PM UTC
While it`s not a Wehrmacht Scherenfernrohr, the cases might be similar.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Periscope_binoculars?uselang=de#/media/File:Delostreleckyvycvik-002-sw-lay.jpg
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Posted: Thursday, December 06, 2018 - 05:25 PM UTC
In the Tamiya Steyr they offer the binocs with tripod and a wooden case of about the same size as shown in the photograph that opens from one end.
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Posted: Thursday, December 06, 2018 - 05:31 PM UTC
Some pictures:

https://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/tysk-militaerkikare-wehrmacht-scherenfernrohr-sf14z-gi/i3462059/

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Posted: Thursday, December 06, 2018 - 10:47 PM UTC
Hi Jerry,

here are two more links:

http://www.obzolete.com/German-World-War-2-Hensoldt-Scherenfernrohr-scissors-Rangefinder

https://www.quoka.de/alles-moegliche/alles-moegliche/c0100a227073293p212498826/fernglas-binoculars-scherenfernrohr-hensoldt-bmj.html

As always, there wasn't just one type of scissor binoculars in use, nor were they only German made, cf. e.g. optics made by Huet, Paris.


I wonder how this will fit into the "running the wire" theme, unless you're on to something new?
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Posted: Friday, December 07, 2018 - 01:45 AM UTC
Jerry, Tristar had a kit of the whole setup; I have one somewhere in the shop, it's the WW II version but it doesn't look very different from the pics I've seen of the scopes in WW I. The kit pops up on eBay from time to time.
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Posted: Friday, December 07, 2018 - 02:14 AM UTC
Here are a few WW1 case ("Lederköcher") pics if you need some....









(from this page )

H.P.
jrutman
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Posted: Friday, December 07, 2018 - 02:44 AM UTC
Wow! Thanks for the huge response guys! I did not expect nearly as much info as what turned up. Nice!
I am always tickled by the real pics of things that were basically shown as "blobs" in some of the older kits. Well...even some newer kits! Heheheheh
The pic here with the tripod and also the binos leather case will be suitable for my vignette I think.
Nicolas,yes,this will fit into my"wire" vignette. I decided to make my one guy already built into an officer "forward observer" for the arty and have the rest of the team running his phone line as he advances to a position that has been eliminated by British arty strikes. There is a new minion being built that will be hauling the sensitive binos and tripod because heaven forbid an officer would haul his own stuff! Hahahaha.
Thanks again fellas for the excellent intel offered up here.
J
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Posted: Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 09:49 AM UTC
OK,here is what the outcome was of all that cool intel you guys posted. Carrying case with straps and tripod with case.
Modified Rado figure.





Still a WIP all tacked together before primer,etc.

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Posted: Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 10:37 AM UTC
That looks cool but the case is too small.
Search for the
TRISTAR 033 - SF 14z Periscope & Rk31 Aiming Scope. Pretty nice kit.
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Posted: Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 01:37 PM UTC

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That looks cool but the case is too small.
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TRISTAR 033 - SF 14z Periscope & Rk31 Aiming Scope. Pretty nice kit.



You are assuming the kits' case is the correct size.
J
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Posted: Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 03:07 PM UTC
https://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/tysk-militaerkikare-wehrmacht-scherenfernrohr-sf14z-gi-denna/i3439427/

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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 02:40 AM UTC

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https://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/tysk-militaerkikare-wehrmacht-scherenfernrohr-sf14z-gi-denna/i3439427/

Dan



Thanks Dan,very useful albeit too late. The stencil on top is nice to see though as I haven't painted it yet.
J
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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 03:18 AM UTC
I’ve always wanted to look thru one of these Jerry.
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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 04:42 AM UTC

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I’ve always wanted to look thru one of these Jerry.
Dan



Nothing would beat the view through the daysite of a TOW anti-tank missile system. You can really reach out there with one of those.
But I suspect the german trench binos have a scale in the viewer for use in calling for arty strikes. Just like our army binos do.
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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 08:25 AM UTC
Very true Jerry. I have used a TOW sight on a tank range to use for spotting.
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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 08:43 AM UTC

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But I suspect the german trench binos have a scale in the viewer for use in calling for arty strikes. Just like our army binos do.



S.F 14 Z Gi binoculars :







http://germanmilitaryoptics.blogspot.com/2007/09/i-scherenfernohrs-sf.html

http://pravin73.wixsite.com/camera-sly/single-post/2017/10/28/Rommels-Leitz-Scherenfernrohr-SF14ZGi

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Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 02:54 AM UTC
Frenchie comes through....AGAIN !! Thanks buddy.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 06:11 AM UTC
My pleasure Jerry

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Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 06:27 AM UTC
At least one US version of this is the M65. We had these in my unit back in the early 70's and for some strange reason it was know as a "BC Scope" with BC standing for Battery Commander. I could never figure out why it was known as a BC scope unless this was a LONG time carry over name. Doctrine back in the early 70's had the BC with the guns which were supposed to be in an INDIRECT (i.e. well behind the lines) Fire mode. A unit was in BIG trouble if you had to fire the guns directly AT a target. Forward Observers were attached to Infantry and Armor units and had regular binoculars. About the ONLY time I ever saw a BC scope in use was during training when someone might bring one to the hill where the FOs were adjusting fire.

I suspect these were developed almost exclusively for static or "trench" warfare.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 06:59 AM UTC
What was the nomenclature Tom?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 09:19 AM UTC
BC (Battery Commander’s) Telescope M65 :



http://www.liberatedmanuals.com/TM-9-1580.pdf

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Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 12:07 PM UTC

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That looks cool but the case is too small.
Search for the
TRISTAR 033 - SF 14z Periscope & Rk31 Aiming Scope. Pretty nice kit.



You are assuming the kits' case is the correct size.
J


No, just know how big it is.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 02:34 PM UTC
and it comes in a boxx as well!
http://www.passionmilitaria.com/t61063-periscope-us-m65
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Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 03:16 AM UTC

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At least one US version of this is the M65. We had these in my unit back in the early 70's and for some strange reason it was know as a "BC Scope" with BC standing for Battery Commander. I could never figure out why it was known as a BC scope unless this was a LONG time carry over name. Doctrine back in the early 70's had the BC with the guns which were supposed to be in an INDIRECT (i.e. well behind the lines) Fire mode. A unit was in BIG trouble if you had to fire the guns directly AT a target. Forward Observers were attached to Infantry and Armor units and had regular binoculars. About the ONLY time I ever saw a BC scope in use was during training when someone might bring one to the hill where the FOs were adjusting fire.

I suspect these were developed almost exclusively for static or "trench" warfare.



Well,since they were often referred to as "trench binoculars" I think your assumption is a good one!
J