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German Equipment Taken By Eastern Europeans
bill_c
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Posted: Saturday, February 02, 2019 - 03:44 AM UTC
If you are interested in post-war German vehicles to build, Decalomaniacs has a terrific set of Panthers in Captivity, including the Warsaw Uprising.
Removed by original poster on 02/02/19 - 15:50:50 (GMT).
Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, February 02, 2019 - 03:56 AM UTC
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Equally impressive is that Frenchy you could find such a photograph of the farmer stopped at a railroad crossing with that wagon!
Thanks Mike
. Looks like the wood gas truck itself is fitted with rear dual Panther wheels as well...H.P.
long_tom
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Posted: Saturday, February 02, 2019 - 04:02 AM UTC
You never know when starting a topic sprouts great interest...
I was also unsure if Czechoslovakia actually manufactured new Sdkfz 251 Ausf D's as per original German design before they switched over to the OT version.
I was also unsure if Czechoslovakia actually manufactured new Sdkfz 251 Ausf D's as per original German design before they switched over to the OT version.
Naseby
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Posted: Saturday, February 02, 2019 - 04:20 AM UTC
The reason why German equipment was so popular is simply because it was manufactured in those countries. For example in Czechoslovakia, over 5700 planes for the Lufwaffe were built. So its logical that they continued with production after the war. Me-109, Me-262, Arado Ar-96, Sieleb 204 to name just a few. Hetzer and its derivates was already mentioned, but also German field guns, howitzers and Rifles were produced in Slovakian region of Vah river. Pistols and MGs were produced aswell. Flak guns and even Radars were put into service in Czechoslovakia after 1945. Stug III and Panzer IV were used in relatively big numbers and were also sold to foreign customers. Even german helmets and gas masks were a common sight after the war !!!
Batpatchedscout
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Posted: Saturday, February 02, 2019 - 05:49 AM UTC
Well, I believe it's wise to use serious sources of information, this list of material (vehs, tanks, destroyers etc.) used by Czechoslovaks postwar (not Czechs only) was created by fellow chaps from forum valka and I can confirm it is quite comprehensive: https://forum.valka.cz/topic/view/36231
Could be switched to Eng, the majority of types are active links... Interesting pictures included.
Could be switched to Eng, the majority of types are active links... Interesting pictures included.
Bonaparte84
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Posted: Saturday, February 02, 2019 - 06:17 AM UTC
The dug-in German StuGs and Pz. IV etc. on the Bulgarian border during the cold war comes to mind...
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 03:18 AM UTC
I like this discussion. Nice idea for Group Build, no Campaign though.
Regards,
Robert Jan
Regards,
Robert Jan
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 06:39 AM UTC
There's a very nice Swiss Pz.Jg. G-13 (Hetzer) at Camp Mabry, Texas. It runs very well too. It's a great museum for anyone visiting the Austin area.
TheGreatPumpkin
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 04:02 PM UTC
Bill,
Some new information has come my way in reference to the Warsaw Panthers and I'm currently updating the sheet. Stay tuned!
Regards,
Georg
Some new information has come my way in reference to the Warsaw Panthers and I'm currently updating the sheet. Stay tuned!
Regards,
Georg
jasegreene
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 05:14 PM UTC
Yes I know it is not in Eastern Europe,the Pak 40 was supplied to North Vietnam along with other German heavy machine guns and rifles from the Soviet Union in the early 1960's.
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 08:52 PM UTC
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I believe the Israeli's had some German Mark IV's they made use of early on.
Not really. The IDF captured a few intact examples on the Golan-heights during the Six Day War; these were put in museums. Since by this time the 30 years old design had very low intelligence value, most of the wrecks were simply left out there to deteriorate.
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Also I seem to recall seeing a photo of a Panzer IV still dug in as a fixed artillery emplacement somewhere on the Golan Heights
Yes, a few of them are still visible these days.
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 11:22 PM UTC
The Soviets captured altogether 29 V-2s but only 5 in flight-worthy condition; some of the blue-prints and machinery was also recovered. Another 10 were made of WW2-manufactured German parts in the Soviet Union. Finally, the R-1/SS-1 'Scunner' was a direct copy of the V-2.
iguanac
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Posted: Monday, February 04, 2019 - 12:24 AM UTC
Post War Yugoslav army fielded three type of divisions (due to logistics) - those with German weapons, those with Soviet weapons and those with US weapons. We captured a lot of german (and Italian ones too) weapons, received a lot from both Soviets and Americans. In the early post ww2 days, german helmets were dominant. Official rifle caliber remained long enough 7,9mm (also pre war Yugoslav caliber). Odd enough, back in 2004/2005 when i served the army, we still had US showels (m1943 and M19443), and M36 SP guns were retiring from their service.
Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, February 04, 2019 - 01:41 AM UTC
Ex-German equipment in the Yugoslav Army circa 1945-1946 :
8,8 cm Flak 18/36 AA guns towed by Soviet-built Ya-12 artillery tractors,Belgrade, october 1945 :
Romanian Panther belonging to the Tudor Vladimirescu division in Bucarest (1946). In the background is a Hummel SPH provided by the Soviets :
More info here
Bulgarian Panther in Sofia (November 1945) :
H.P.
8,8 cm Flak 18/36 AA guns towed by Soviet-built Ya-12 artillery tractors,Belgrade, october 1945 :
Romanian Panther belonging to the Tudor Vladimirescu division in Bucarest (1946). In the background is a Hummel SPH provided by the Soviets :
More info here
Bulgarian Panther in Sofia (November 1945) :
H.P.
Bravo1102
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Posted: Monday, February 04, 2019 - 02:51 AM UTC
I'm amazed at how many of the Panthers have the drum cupola of the early ausf D. Something different for those Panther D rather than Kursk.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Monday, February 04, 2019 - 02:54 AM UTC
Nice photo reference again. Love this thread.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Biggles2
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Posted: Monday, February 04, 2019 - 03:31 AM UTC
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The Soviets captured altogether 29 V-2s but only 5 in flight-worthy condition; some of the blue-prints and machinery was also recovered...
While we're on about V-2's, etc., US experimented with launching V-1's from aircraft carriers post-war (early cruise missiles), and the V-2 became the basis for the Redstone, thanks to von Braun.
ayovtshev
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Posted: Monday, February 04, 2019 - 04:40 AM UTC
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I'm amazed at how many of the Panthers have the drum cupola of the early ausf D. Something different for those Panther D rather than Kursk.
Bit more Bulgarian Panthers:
And a variety of German-supplied trucks in the back(Buessing-NAG 4500A with Bilsteinkran,Hanomag SS100 and MAN ML3500 are easily recognisable).
Phasing out of German-supplied equipment in Bulgarian Army started in mid 1950's.
bill_c
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Posted: Monday, February 04, 2019 - 07:27 AM UTC
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Some new information has come my way in reference to the Warsaw Panthers and I'm currently updating the sheet. Stay tuned!
Regards,
Georg
Because Decalomaniacs prints up their sheets on a "just in time" basis, Georg can make updates available without having to "sell off" an entire run. Folks, you should really check out his Panthers in Captivity set as offering some very unusual and cool builds.
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