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Panther from 26th Panzer Div in Italy 1944
hj1985
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Posted: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 - 02:13 AM UTC
I would like to start a new project to depict a Panther with wounded crews from 26th Panzer Div from battle of Anzio in Italy.

My problem is based on what I read from the book "Sicily - Salerno - Anzio, January 1943-June 1944". The 26th Panzer Division is withdrawn from Anzio front from 4th March.

I already started painting the figures for the diorama.

I picked up figures as below:
https://www.super-hobby.com/products/Ticket-home.html
http://www.alpineminiatures.com/imagepages/35183.html

However, early March is still pretty cold in Italy.

Below is an example that they were still wearing overcoat.

Early March Photo
https://www.militaryimages.net/media/stug-iii-of-26-panzer-division-and-panthers-of-panzer-regiment-4.109182/

However, it was getting much warmer in late March.
March 22 Photo
http://ww2today.com/22-march-1944-relieving-the-gurkhas-in-front-of-the-monastery

So my question would be:

Did I pick up the right figure?
Did 26th Panzer Div participate any fight in between Mar-Jun 1944?






marcb
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Posted: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 - 04:56 AM UTC
Panzer Regiment 4 was still an independent unit during the Anzio battles.
I'd delete the figure with the camo smock, otherwise you're figures are fine.

What Panther kit will you use?
Removed by original poster on 05/01/19 - 23:17:24 (GMT).
hj1985
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Posted: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 - 11:17 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Panzer Regiment 4 was still an independent unit during the Anzio battles.
I'd delete the figure with the camo smock, otherwise you're figures are fine.

What Panther kit will you use?



Takom Panther A early type.

Is there anything wrong with the Camo guy?

If Regiment 4 was still an independent unit, what about their uni insignia?
marcb
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Posted: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 - 11:24 AM UTC
James,

Nothing wrong with the camo guy. The camo smocks were rare and I've never seen a pic of one in Italy, that's all.
Most Panthers didn't carry unit insignia, neither did PR 4. How will you do the zimmerit?
hj1985
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Posted: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 - 12:14 PM UTC

Quoted Text

James,

Nothing wrong with the camo guy. The camo smocks were rare and I've never seen a pic of one in Italy, that's all.
Most Panthers didn't carry unit insignia, neither did PR 4. How will you do the zimmerit?



Re: Italian campaign, I often see paratroopers with Camo, but not Heer personnel. Is there any record showing Heer units were using Camo smock?

Also re: the figure, do they dress more like in Spring or Autumn?

For zimmerit, I guess it would be the old school Putty Texturing with some "peel-off" effects.

marcb
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Posted: Friday, May 03, 2019 - 01:33 AM UTC
Have fun,

I used this zimm rake, as used in the Osprey Panther modelling book by Steve van Beveren, with great succes. For the small square pattern by MNH/ DB, the teeth should be 2,5 mm apart. I used a green scouring sponge to add roughness to the zimm.



hj1985
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Posted: Friday, May 03, 2019 - 02:21 AM UTC
Does anyone know if these two below were commonly seen in Italy 1944?

https://www.exter-company.com/en/Figures-scale-1-35/German-Tank-crew-Set-WWII.html?force_sid=8fnvd5r9mga4h226jijmspvil3&

https://www.exter-company.com/en/Figures-scale-1-35/German-Wehrmacht-Driver-of-Sd-Kfz-222.html?force_sid=8fnvd5r9mga4h226jijmspvil3&
HEINE-07
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 - 06:39 PM UTC
I am not sure whether the 26th Pz Div had any Pz V tanks. I think an SS unit had some around Italy before the Salerno landings, but the SS unit was withdrawn from Italy. I might be mistaken, but it could be clarified by further research. My understanding about Panzer Regiment 4 stems from discussing Panthers in Italy with Mr. Tom Jentz at AMPS 1997, at Aberdeen. I went and obtained his book called: "Panzertruppen." Chapter 27 deals with the defense of Italy. The Tigers, Panthers, Brummbar, and Elephant-type tanks were rushed to Italy as reinforcements after the Anzio landings. The I./Pz.Rgt.4 had 76 Panthers in five Companies. Most were Early A Panthers. The winter terrain was ill-suited to tank warfare. History has noted a couple companies of these tanks during the Anzio breakout for their action on 25 May 1944 around Velletri, where they stopped the 81st Recn Battalion of the First Armored Division, and action on 25 May 1944 at the Melfa River where the Canadian Armored Forces were mauled. This seems a more exciting field of action to me, and I started building such a Panther for a diorama before Dragon came out with their Early A Panther kit. I scratch-built the upper hull upon the chassis of a Dragon Jagdpanther. I made zimmerit by thinly spreading Squadron green putty all across the surface, then texturing it with a stiff bristle-brush, before scraping the box shaped zimmerit with a seam-scraper. Do this before the green putty dries. I counted how many horizontal layers of the zimmerit boxes are seen on the old photos, and marked such increments in pencil on my plastic model. It remains incomplete but some photos of the model are in my Kitmaker Gallery here: https://gallery3.kitmaker.net/showgallery.php/cat/500/page/1/ppuser/24240
HEINE-07
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 - 07:20 PM UTC
The Melfa area was thick with camo-smocked Fallschirmjager retreating from Cassino, and some even manned the Panther turret bunkers scattered around the area between Piedemonte to the Melfa River. The Melfa River formed the back-side of the Hitler Line.

There are some partial crew images of the Panthers (mis-identified as Panther-D) coming or going (Feb-Jun 1944) through Rome in the Squadron book: "Panthers in Action." The all-black Panzer uniform is most prevalent unless a long-coat is worn over top it all. In some cases, lighter pants (grey-green?) appear.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 - 07:54 PM UTC
Check out the black uniforms on page 23: http://the-eye.eu/public/WorldTracker.org/Aeronautics/Squadron-Signal/%5Barmor%5D%20-%20%5BSquadron-Signal%5D%20-%20%5BIn%20Action%2011%5D%20-%20Panther.pdf