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A13 Mk.I/Cruiser Tank Mk.III
Neonik
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2019 - 06:31 PM UTC
Greetings,friends! After Magirus I decided to build something that I well know. British cruiser tanks is my favorite topic, so I decided to build A13. Unfortunately it is a very rare model on forums. That's why I will investigate all by myself. Fortunately we have one survived vehicle in Bovington.



This model is quite good. I don't change everything. All nuts are fuzzy. Plastic is very fragile. You need to be carefull evrytime you work with knife or drill. The instruction is incomprehensible, so I build everything in my way.



I bought some aftermarket years ago. Hull plate from Tiger Model etc. But I haven't decided yet will I substitude it or not. It is not very difficult but causes other problems with engine plate. At first look you will need to do new grills.



I started with lazy. Don't be very stricked. Some nuts are missing. Some not glued. Some places need putty. All of this will be in future stages.































petbat
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Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2019 - 08:07 AM UTC
Off to a great start Artyom. Love watching your work. I'm following this one too.
Neonik
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Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2019 - 10:22 PM UTC

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Off to a great start Artyom. Love watching your work. I'm following this one too.


Hello,Peter! I hope it will be interesting to you. After A13 I will go back to my half-build A30.
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Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2019 - 11:16 PM UTC
Yeah, he's back.
Will follow with big interest Artyom.
I certainly going to do this tank in the future.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
Neonik
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2019 - 08:59 PM UTC

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Yeah, he's back.
Will follow with big interest Artyom.
I certainly going to do this tank in the future.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan



Hi,Robert! I am back and I am very happy to return to old topic.
Do you have other cruiser in plans?
firstcircle
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2019 - 09:13 PM UTC
You definitely need to take care of fuzzy nuts...

I'm sure you know already, but the decals in this kit may be quite thick and inflexible.

Curious the way the top of the 1st Armoured Div badge is under that hinged flap. Maybe the flap has been repainted.
Neonik
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2019 - 10:23 PM UTC

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You definitely need to take care of fuzzy nuts...

I'm sure you know already, but the decals in this kit may be quite thick and inflexible.

Curious the way the top of the 1st Armoured Div badge is under that hinged flap. Maybe the flap has been repainted.



Hello,Matthew! thank you for the information. This kit has problems=)) One of the biggest is an instruction. It is very strange.=)
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2019 - 01:43 AM UTC
Hello Artyom. No Cruisers in my stash yet. But I want to build a Beute Panzer in the future. So interested in this type of tank.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
petbat
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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2019 - 07:22 AM UTC
I have this one in the stash as well as an A9 and A10. I'm building the Italerie Crusader AA at the moment, and whilst I have added a lot of missing (scratch built a whole new correct sized turret floor and basket, and an exhaust) and soft detail (nuts, etc), I not gone to the same extent of detail as you do Artyom. I kind of wish I did now. It is a kit the cries out for love and attention.

Part build interior



Since these pics I have replaced the brass foot rests with thicker gauge styrene rod and shortened them to proper length, plus added detail to the floor.
Neonik
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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2019 - 09:22 PM UTC

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Hello Artyom. No Cruisers in my stash yet. But I want to build a Beute Panzer in the future. So interested in this type of tank.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan



Nice plans, hope to see it. Beute panzer has addition armor on turret as I remember.
Neonik
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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2019 - 09:24 PM UTC

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I have this one in the stash as well as an A9 and A10. I'm building the Italerie Crusader AA at the moment, and whilst I have added a lot of missing (scratch built a whole new correct sized turret floor and basket, and an exhaust) and soft detail (nuts, etc), I not gone to the same extent of detail as you do Artyom. I kind of wish I did now. It is a kit the cries out for love and attention.

Part build interior



Since these pics I have replaced the brass foot rests with thicker gauge styrene rod and shortened them to proper length, plus added detail to the floor.



Very well done Peter! I already like the result. I want to build Crusader one day but I really hope that Bronco will produce it in future. To be true I don't want to scratch Italeri and Revell.
Neonik
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2019 - 12:45 AM UTC
Some WIP. It is only half of what I want and have to do with rear. Many thing will be added later. And if you have good photos or information about moments on a first photos marked with red I will be very greatful.

Lower armor plate is missing on a tank in Bovington. And holders... Are they on hatches?









petbat
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2019 - 09:58 AM UTC
Looking great Artyom.

I think that rear panel is removable for access and the handles are to lift the panel:



There are a few clear photos in Wydawnictwo Militaria 335 on the A13 that show the handles but nothing attached to them


Neonik
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Posted: Sunday, November 03, 2019 - 08:45 PM UTC

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Looking great Artyom.

I think that rear panel is removable for access and the handles are to lift the panel:



There are a few clear photos in Wydawnictwo Militaria 335 on the A13 that show the handles but nothing attached to them





Thank you,Peter! The last photo is an answer. There are two nuts from the sides of holders. No hatches, only nuts.

Thank you!

And. I see on photos that my work with workable panel with hinges is not perfect and details are not straight. And a panel seem to me is to thin. Sometimes only macro can give us an answers about quality of scratch. I will do a new panel.
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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2019 - 01:52 AM UTC
Lack of time, very little progress. I reworked previous version. Rear is ready only at 70%. Much work ahead. I am not satisfied with some moments. I think I could do better but....

Thanks to Peter Brown and Steve Jones for help!













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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2019 - 07:20 AM UTC
Looks sensational Artyom!


However Your row of bolts between the tow points on the vertical panel appears to be too high. Your row would be just under where the red line is here in the pic:



The row should be slightly below the central line that would be between the middle and bottom bolt head on the tow point mounts

and their position seems to be nearly central between the row of bolts on the lower panel


brkelly04
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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2019 - 07:25 AM UTC
Nice work. I have this kit in the stash. What are problems you found with front hull plate? You replaced it completely with white styrene. Thanks.
petbat
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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2019 - 07:37 AM UTC

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Nice work. I have this kit in the stash. What are problems you found with front hull plate? You replaced it completely with white styrene. Thanks.



It is the rear plate in the pic Brian. The first few pics show the front without any plates added, just the detail on the idler mount.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2019 - 02:31 PM UTC
It is sensational and when size matters, ok one has to replace such tiny bolts and that I think is outrageous attention to detail.
My hats off for you Artyom.

In awe and with kind regards,

Robert Jan
Neonik
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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2019 - 06:00 PM UTC

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Looks sensational Artyom!


However Your row of bolts between the tow points on the vertical panel appears to be too high. Your row would be just under where the red line is here in the pic:



The row should be slightly below the central line that would be between the middle and bottom bolt head on the tow point mounts

and their position seems to be nearly central between the row of bolts on the lower panel





Hi,Peter! Thank you for your attention! Spending much time with rear i missed this moment! I fix it. Thanks again!
Neonik
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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2019 - 06:08 PM UTC

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Nice work. I have this kit in the stash. What are problems you found with front hull plate? You replaced it completely with white styrene. Thanks.



Greetings,Brian!For now I only work with rear. With front hull I will work a little bit later.
Neonik
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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2019 - 06:10 PM UTC

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It is sensational and when size matters, ok one has to replace such tiny bolts and that I think is outrageous attention to detail.
My hats off for you Artyom.

In awe and with kind regards,

Robert Jan



Hello,Robert! In true I am not satisfied. I think I can do better. But I work with only rear plate 3 weeks. So I think I can do only worse so decided to stop.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2019 - 10:07 PM UTC
Understand. One has to make decisions.
Your standard already is very high, I enjoy watching the progress every time.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 02:07 AM UTC
Uf. That work makes me mad. When you go futher - things become harder. I don't think I can win this battle. Maybe a draw. I am trying to substitude some details and make this tank look like abandoned and crushed. Exhaust cover I made from thin aluminium to make some dents on it.



Much work ahead. Some lines I will correct in the end , they are not parallel.















petbat
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 02:22 PM UTC
Looks great to me Artyom. If battered was your intention, you what you were after.