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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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whitewashed Panzer 35(t)?
npt7405
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Posted: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 - 11:33 AM UTC
Hi. I intend to build a Panzer 35(t) but wanted to do something different from dark gray. Despite a lot of looking, I have not found a single pic of a winter whitewashed 35(t). Is it possible none were camouflaged like this? Any help is much appreciated. Thanks. Neil
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Posted: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 - 11:47 AM UTC
Ask yourself this: Have I ever seen a photo of a 35(t) in the snow and with no whitewash?

If the answer is no, go for it.

If the answer is yes, some ass will use it against you.
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npt7405
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Posted: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 - 11:55 AM UTC
Thanks for your fast reply. I've seen several snow pics with gray 35(t) tanks without whitewash. It seems pretty certain some were applied in common practise but it would be nice to have definitive evidence.
npt7405
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Posted: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 - 12:00 PM UTC
Thats great. Thanks for the pic, much appreciated. Now I know at least one existed with whitewash. it seems funny that there is so few photographic evidence. Many thanks.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 - 12:20 PM UTC
Probably because there was a shortage of whitewash for the first winter - the war was not expected to last that long. The second winter not too many 35 (t)'s were still around.
npt7405
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Posted: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 - 01:16 PM UTC
Thanks for your reply. Good point about these tanks being mainly early war. I guess there were a number used in winter 1941 but like you said about whitewash shortages many would have stayed in dark gray. Many thanks.
Nate_W
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Posted: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 - 01:59 PM UTC
I want to say I've seen one..don't quote me on that, I'm going to look through my references and photos from Barb and Typhoon. If I find one I'll post it.





Edit:


Sorry, the photo I was thinking of was of a Sumua S35 in Norway.

I did come across this though. It's just a 35(t) in snow without whitewash though.


I'd go for it man. Especially outside Moscow where things went to Hell. Where everything from white paint to bed sheets and linens were used to cover the vehicles and the very early equipment was still in use.


Jmarles
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Posted: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 - 03:46 PM UTC
The most obvious suggestion would be the Czechoslovakian tricolour scheme. A second option, if you believe Jentz and Doyle, is the Dunkelgrau with 33% brown camo over the base, before the order to go overall grey in 1940. I am sure that will touch off an "octopus scheme" level debate from every armchair (armourchair? ^_^ ) expert that will chime in. I have found some photos that certainly look like two tone camo, and yes, I know b&w bla bla bla.

https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/germany/tanks-2-3/panzer-35t/light-tank-panzer-35t/


A nice winter cam here:

https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/germany/tanks-2-3/panzer-38t/panzer-38t-winter-camo/

Romanian in a sort of winter cam:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/29415369@N05/3105435924/
npt7405
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Posted: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 - 11:31 PM UTC
Thanks for your replies. I think I will go for a whitewash scheme. Just because photographic evidence is next to nothing doesn't mean it didn't happen. I may do another with dark gray and rotbraun, thankyou.
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Posted: Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 02:32 AM UTC
I looked through all my books didn't find one. This might help I was once told when I wanted to do something with my kit. "That not every German tank was photographed like everyone seems to think so do yours the way you want and say it just didn't get in the picture lol. Regards, Brock
npt7405
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Posted: Friday, December 06, 2019 - 02:21 AM UTC
Thanks for looking through your books. I suppose creative licence can override historical accuracy. Many thanks for all replies.