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errains
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Posted: Thursday, January 16, 2020 - 01:46 AM UTC
Chris;

Great results can be achieved with brush painting. Below is my current build. I first sprayed it flat black from a Krylon rattle can. After that had cured the entire models was brushed paint using oil paints.


(This is a What-If project for a group build on another model site)

Let me know if your interested in the method and I can go into more detail on how I did this.

chrisb760
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Posted: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 - 10:55 PM UTC
I thought I'd mention I only use brushes. But all of your advice will still apply?
Thank you all for your very informative replies
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Posted: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 - 10:11 PM UTC
The few times I did washes I used the brownish-green-yukk-coloured liquid that was in the jar I used to wash my brushes and do initial clean-up of the airbrush.
The larger particles settled after a while but the small stayed suspended and could be used as a wash.
It contained all the colours/hues used on the model so it worked great to blend in the colours with each other and make the camo-pattern less stark by subduing the contrasts.
This is not the solution to all washing and weathering, rather an extreme counter example to all the fancy products on sale. Most of the washes on the market are extremely diluted paint or mixes of paints.


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I buy pre-sliced bread since it saves time but I do peel my own potatoes. I don't buy spice mixes either but I don't grow my own chilipeppers either.
/ Robin

Edit: Mentioning chilipeppers made me hungry all of a sudden ....
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - 03:32 PM UTC
When I started we made our own weathering products using enamels, artist oils, thinners, powder poster paints borrowed from art class, chalks, graphite powder, dry wall compound, plaster of paris and good old Testors Dullcote and Glosscote.

Artist oils I use are raw and burnt umber and sienna, charcoal grey, blue, yellow. They make great washes and panel line washes. Ground chalk makes excellent dust. These products last for years.

In my opinion the new pre-made stuff is for those who don't know how or don't want to make their own products and for taking your money.

There are some products that I'm interested in, such as premade mud and wet effects. Also a good engine oil wash.

Practice the old school techniques first using what you have before wasting money on fancy products you may only use once. You may find you enjoy making your own washes and effects and it is a skill you should know anyway because the companies making weathering products can't cover every need.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - 09:04 AM UTC

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Is there such a thing as neutral weathering products where you would add for example your Acrylic colour of choice and use as usual.



As far as I know the best system matching this description is VMS, but instead of using acrylic colours you use pigments. Check the videos for each product in the Pigment Binders Section, their are quite informative.
Start with the ENML binder and see what can be done:

https://www.vms-supplies.com/vms-enml-20-binders
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - 03:52 AM UTC
This is great advice !!!
chrisb760
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - 03:06 AM UTC
Well thank you from someone who's only been doing this for a couple of years and I am, I think still experimenting the. Hence the topic, vetting all the tips and products.
But I will take note of my peers.
Thank you
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - 01:26 AM UTC
Chris, This will be an interesting thread to follow for sure. Let me first start by saying I agree with the observation made by JSmith exspelly "one who knows the most, needs the least". We watch videos on Youtube where see rows after rows of finishing products in the background that in turn makes us believe that is what we "NEED". Makes me wonder if they even use half that stuff...Oh power marketing.

I like you once had products that took more space on my workbench then I area to work in. Over the past few years I have gotten rid of 95% of all that crap I hardly used and focused my finish products down to four manufactures.



From Left to Right...
a) Vantage Modelling Solutions (VMS)(Pigments)
b) True-Earth (Excellent Water based paints...Did I say these are Excellent!)
c) Mission Models (Airbrushing)
d) Winsor & Newton Artisan Water Mixable Oil Paints (Primary weather mothed...see examples from Michael Rinaldi)
The common theme is that all the above can be manipulated with water. (and a nip of dishwasher duragent)

I do have very few speciality products such as Textured acrylic with gress mixed in, snow effects and just recently AK's weathering pencils which I'm just trying to see what they are like.

So what the bottomline from my perspective...with the vast range of choices find the one, or few, you are most comfortable with and develop your skill set to best achieve the results you are looking for. And Don't Succumb to Hyper Marketing!

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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2020 - 11:38 PM UTC
I have never seen a "universal" weathering medium.

but I agree paint management can be a hobby unto itself. new products & companies coming almost weekly with "improved" product does make one wonder, though.

if it's any consolation, hold dear the thought 'one who knows the most, needs the least'. modeling is a journey and as you gain experience, things which you initially thought the "be-all" product will fall by the wayside for the basic "go-to" that gives your creations instant recognition among your fans.

personally, I am still perfecting my formula for an oil paint that will replicate German Leibermuster camouflage straight from the tube. I predict my pending retirement and purchase of south sea island in its wake.


EDIT: just posted to my youtube subscriptions and validates my above observation - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xDqzxbRB4
chrisb760
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2020 - 10:20 PM UTC
Is there such a thing as neutral weathering products where you would add for example your Acrylic colour of choice and use as usual.
This thought is based upon pots and pots of different products covering my work area?
Looking forward to answers
Chris