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Posted: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - 08:28 PM UTC

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Angel - can you recommend a set of after market resin tires and wheels that would come close to the ones shown on the truck in question? Were not the wheels you used for your air compressor something similar? (Not dualies but similar rims?)



Mike, from what I see on the picture-yes.
The kit I used for ZIF-55 Compressor tires is "ZIS-5 Family Wheels Set"-MiniArt #35196.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/975543-miniart-35196-zis-5-family-wheels-set
It is a plastic-not resin-kit,and each rim has two heart shaped holes, plus 6 bolts.
Each tire consist of 5 different rings, each representing different tread.
Wheels are not challenging to assemble and offer stunning detail.
HTH
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Posted: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - 11:44 PM UTC
Another idea for Mike :



in this view, you can see the railroad wheels behind the road wheels :


Tractor variant :



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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2018 - 08:10 AM UTC


Robin - I apologize but I was just not getting what you were trying to show us with the flags. I think the lettering on the canvas top in that photo is blue - just rather dark blue. (Yes, I changed my position on this question.) B&W film's natural reduced sensitivity to blue light would make it appear even darker in the photo. On the other hand, the shade of blue used on the model is, I think, much too light. I am considering making some decals of my own to perhaps solve this problem.

Angel - Thanks, I thought you might have the answer as to those wheels and tires.

Frenchy - Sorry but no joy on that strange Liberty tractor and road/rail semi-trailer but something about the stocky proportions of that coal truck coupled with the pneumatic tires turns me on to maybe want to build it.
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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2018 - 08:28 AM UTC

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something about the stocky proportions of that coal truck coupled with the pneumatic tires turns me on to maybe want to build it.



I've done some research about the former user of this truck (L.Pioc) and he was indeed the owner of a carry near Vieux Vy sur Couenon (department of Ille et Vilaine, in Brittany). The town name appears in abbreviated form along with the owner's name under the windshield.

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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2018 - 09:42 AM UTC
No worries Michael

The manuals for the transportation corps are available as scanned copies. Maybe it is worth the money to sort out the colour of those letters. Maybe ICM have actually done it?
I will use the decals provided in the kit and pretend the question has not been raised
/ Robin
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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2018 - 10:39 AM UTC
Am I wrong, but just below the photograph in question, the excerpt reads that the vehicle lettering should be in white. Am I not understanding this correctly?

Clearly the lettering in the photo is not white.
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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2018 - 10:49 AM UTC
I don't want to derail the color interpretation thread but just want to compliment Mike on the beautiful job and to say I wish I never saw it because my modeling interests ( and other interests as well ) are varied and now I want to do one of these as well !
Also a tip of the hat to Frenchy - he always comes through with answers to many questions - Merci !

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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2018 - 11:01 AM UTC
Thank you very much Richard for you kind words. Also I whole heartedly agree with your comments regarding Henri and his wealth of resources !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!

Again thanks
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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2018 - 11:04 AM UTC
A few (perhaps) missing parts to add . . . . .


Throttle control rod linkage:
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Rear frame reenforcements to support the tow hitch:
(I don't think/know that ALL Liberty trucks had these???)

It very much looks like the rear framing on the Deuce and a half!



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Old scrap cut frame end still showing hitch supports.
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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2018 - 12:15 PM UTC
A few (MORE) missing parts to add . . . . . (cont.)

Trying now to work out the mechanical brake linkage arrangement.
Under the cab the cable rod on the far left is the foot brake, the three rods in the center are the transmission shift linkages and the cable rod on the right is the parking brake. However the brake linkage gets a bit more confusing as the mechanism progresses towards the rear axle.

There is a linkage support structure with bell cranks just ahead of the differential that is included in the kit. However there is also a linkage support structure directly behind the transmission which IS NOT included in the kit.


(Please Note: I have drawn in the transmission shift linkage above even though it had not yet been installed at the time of this restoration photo.)



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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2018 - 04:44 PM UTC
Series 1 Liberty Truck Ignition Panel:

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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2018 - 07:21 PM UTC
Thanks Richard and Mike

"Information not shared is lost" and I just try to share as much information as I can....

I've came across another view of the quarry truck on the website of an association dedicated to WW1. Looks like they've bought it and plan to convert it into a "real" Liberty....

http://www.memoiredepoilus.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/IMG_0629.jpg

H.P.
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Posted: Friday, September 28, 2018 - 02:00 AM UTC
Angel, Henri - Something tells me the wheels and tires pictured there might be a bit larger than those used on the compressor trailer????
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Posted: Friday, September 28, 2018 - 06:21 AM UTC
What about some Mercedes LG3000 wheels ?





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Posted: Saturday, September 29, 2018 - 03:55 PM UTC


Note distributor in left lower corner of engine photo - which by the way, this item is missing from model.
F.Y.I. - the engine has two spark plugs per cylinder


CORRECTION: SOME Liberty Truck engines had 2 spark plugs per cylinder but not all.
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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2018 - 03:40 AM UTC
Frenchy as to the Mercedes wheels I suspect they would be OK but in the photos everything just looks too small to me for some reason.
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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2018 - 04:12 AM UTC
Some final shots of the now fully assembled and painted mechanical brake rigging, the transmission linkage and the new rear frame supports before they go forever under the soon to be installed loadbox, thereafter visible only from below:




Added rear "A" frame hitch structure and cross member not present in the ICM model.
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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2018 - 04:50 PM UTC

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Angel, Henri - Something tells me the wheels and tires pictured there might be a bit larger than those used on the compressor trailer????



Mike, sorry to answer so late...
The tires I used in my Compressor build have diameter of 25 mm/1 inch:

In real life they should be 875 mm/34.45 inches high.

HTH
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Posted: Monday, October 01, 2018 - 01:25 AM UTC
Thank you Angel!

Sorry to be a beggar here but would anyone have the physical (real inches or millimeters, not- scale size) diameter of the AM resin tires for the Mercedes to compare the two?
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Posted: Monday, October 01, 2018 - 03:02 AM UTC
Can't help with the real diameter, but according to the writings on the Panzer Art AM wheel tires for the LG3000, these are 7.5 x 20 tires....

The L4500 was fitted with 10.5 x 20 tires.

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Posted: Monday, October 01, 2018 - 08:56 PM UTC
This link
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/m/mblg63.htm
confirms that Mercedes Benz LG63/LG3000 tires were 7,5*20'

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Posted: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 - 11:29 AM UTC
So it is safe to assume the 10.5 x 20 tires are somewhat larger in outside diameter than the 7.5 x 20's but unknown by just how much?

At one inch diameter the smaller tires are about the same size as the wood spoked hard rubber wheels that come stock on the Liberty truck. I think it is safe to say the tires on the quarry truck are larger. (Considerably larger!)
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Posted: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 - 04:05 PM UTC
I have Zvezda's Mercedes Benz L4500 kit and will measure the tires Friday evening.
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 03:16 AM UTC
Resin offering of beautiful chain drive WWI Peerless Lorry at:

https://touch.facebook.com/groups/505009926264484?view=permalink&id=1814740638624733&ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_activity
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Posted: Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 03:30 AM UTC
Very nice find Mike. 1/35 WW1 trucks are not really thick on the ground...

H.P.