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Adding anti-slip texture to modern armor
HeavyArty
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Florida, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 06:45 PM GMT+7
I have found a new way to add anti-slip texture to modern armor. I wanted to add the ant-slip to my new Academy M1A1 OIF kit hull so it would match the Dragon M1A1 turret that I am using to correct it with. I was going to try Mr. Surfacer, but was leary about pushing it through my airbrush and ruining the airbrush. I have heard some horror stories on that. I decided to try something I found at the local home improvement center. It is a product called Terra Cotta under the American Accents brand made by Rust-oleum. It is a standard spray can that imparts a rough, sand texture on whatever you spray it on. I first taped off the areas I did not want the anti-slip to be on, then simply followed the directions on the can and gave it a few light coats of the Terra Cotta finish. It worked perfectly.

Here are the results:


It only cost me about $4 as well and I still have nearly a full can of the stuff. I am happy as to how it came out and I didn't ruin an expensive airbrush in the process.

Here is a good drawing showing where the anti-slip is applied on an M1A1/A2 Abrams.


Give it a try if you want your modern armor to have the proper anti-slip coating. It would work great on the new Tamiya M1A1/A2 that doesn't have it as well as any other modern piece of armor.
blackeast19
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 07:32 PM GMT+7
Thanks for sharing mate, great to learn new stuff!

Cheers!
Slug
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 07:45 PM GMT+7
Good Idea Gino, I love using non-modeling "stuff" on models. Thanks for sharing.
Burik
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 08:45 PM GMT+7
Very nice Gino. I will be interested to see it with paint on and such. So, what part of OIF will this tank be? Which markings will it sport? Doing a dio for it?
Monte
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 08:50 PM GMT+7
Great idea Gino! I've seen that stuff in the store and have been scratching my head trying to figure out what I can use it for.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 08:53 PM GMT+7

Quoted Text

Very nice Gino. I will be interested to see it with paint on and such. So, what part of OIF will this tank be? Which markings will it sport? Doing a dio for it?



This one will be an OIF 1 USMC Abrams. I plan on diong it up as "Angry American" off the Echelon camo versions decal sheet. Not sure if it will be in a dio or not, we shall see.

Glad all of you like the idea. Hope you use it too, it works great.
MikeMummey
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 10:58 PM GMT+7
"Tanks" for sharing that tip. Looks good. Out here.
SgtWilhite
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 11:56 PM GMT+7
Gonna have to pick me up a can of that. I've got a M1A2 waiting in the wings. That'll make a good test body. Thanks.
Petition2God
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 01:36 AM GMT+7
Great idea! I must try this. Does Home Depot sell it?
barv
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 02:09 AM GMT+7
Gino,
Great idea--only one problem .............a lot of us are on the other side of the "pond". So-- have you tried spraying on a sheet of ..5-10thou ...if it works send me a sheet ....or can you find out who produces it(under what name)on this little remote island {p-m's to usual addresswithout stamps}
Looks good ....could use that on my "DACHS2" when I build it soon
aye,
BARV
mikeli125
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 04:23 AM GMT+7
Barv,
Try Hobby craft if theres one near you they some American paints in there or you could try the humbrol aerosols they have something that gives a rough finsh out of a can cant think what it's called but should do the trick pretty much similar to Gino's method
Drader
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 04:30 AM GMT+7
Seen this stuff suggested, not tried it myself....

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99209999028&orignav=300810
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 08:48 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text

Gino,
Great idea--only one problem .............a lot of us are on the other side of the "pond". So-- have you tried spraying on a sheet of ..5-10thou ...if it works send me a sheet ....or can you find out who produces it(under what name)on this little remote island {p-m's to usual addresswithout stamps}
Looks good ....could use that on my "DACHS2" when I build it soon
aye,
BARV



No offense, but... I gave you the info. Your turn to do some researchand find what its equivelant is in the UK. Sorry, gotta do some work yourself.
kglack43
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 10:08 AM GMT+7
Gino, thats a great suggestion...seems to be fast, easy and no wear and tear on the ol'AB is a big plus.

One question, does the paint have any effect on the styrene/plastic from any kind of heat generated by the chemical reaction-drying process?

Thanks again for the tip.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 10:19 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text

One question, does the paint have any effect on the styrene/plastic from any kind of heat generated by the chemical reaction-drying process?



No reaction that I can tell. It dries quickly as well, almost as fast as you can put it on. No heat on drying either.
rfeehan
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 10:22 AM GMT+7
Nice idea thanks for sharing. Like some of the others I have seen that stuff at the Depot when doing various home improvements and I never connected it could be used to do that. Good idea!

JimF
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 11:03 AM GMT+7
Thanks for the tip, Gino. Looking forward to seeing the progress shots.

Spades
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Posted: Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 01:29 PM GMT+7
gino, have a question on this stuff, do you have to be at a certain distance to spray this stuff on the model???

Thanks for the idea.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 02:04 PM GMT+7

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gino, have a question on this stuff, do you have to be at a certain distance to spray this stuff on the model???

Thanks for the idea.



No, just use like any other spray paint, about 8-12 inches away.
TsunamiBomb
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Posted: Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 02:43 PM GMT+7
Is this so it doesnt slip out of your hands... lol :-) :-) Looks good so far Gino.
antoniop
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 12:21 AM GMT+7
Hi,

Being a rookie in armor building (I used to make 1/72 planes 15 years ago) I tried my own method of creating anti slip on my Bradley.

I didn't want to use Mr. Surfacer because of the possibility of ruining my airbrush.

So I decided to try another method : wood glue (water soluble)
I masked the areas with tape anda applied white wood glue with a very fine sponge. In fact the sponge was stolen from the kitchen and it has very fine cells.
The result is awesome and the best part of it all is that you can correct erros just by washing with water before the glue dries completely.
After applying primary and paint the glue will be sealed and the anti slip look is very sacale like.
Hope it helps
antoniop
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Posted: Friday, February 03, 2006 - 11:51 AM GMT+7
Here you have some details of the final effect of my home made anti slip

Bradley
HeavyArty
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Posted: Friday, February 03, 2006 - 01:17 PM GMT+7
Looks like it will work, but it still looks too smooth to me. The Rust-Oleum has a moire sandy texture to it. Good idea though.
antoniop
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Posted: Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 01:05 AM GMT+7
The photos soften the effect a bit. I would say it's like 100-80 grit sand paper
Spades
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Posted: Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 03:48 AM GMT+7
I agree w/Gino on this one, the glue does tend to give it some texture, but not enough. Look at us, trying anything and everything to get something right until we are satisfied, and thats not easy in our hobby. :-)