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Feb DMoM
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sauceman
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 05:31 AM UTC
With much deliberation the Armorama Staff have settled on the winners for the Feb contest.

1st Place was the M1A1 by Paul Toma.



2nd Place goes to the 251 of Özgür Güner



And 3rd Place goes to rzemyslaw Szymczyk for his TKS Tankette



If the winners could please contact me with their mailing information we will send out the appropriate prizes.

Thank you for patience will this extremely difficult decision was deliberated and a well done to all that had entered!


cheers
Jupiterblitz
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 06:29 AM UTC
Well,

I think most of us can understand your decision and do agree with.

I voted for Paul's M1 too.


But nonetheless I must protest against this kind of decision-finding.


I repeat it again: It is not stated in the rules.


Further it is also a question of acceptance...and transparency.

No explanations about the whys and whats the staff based their decision upon.


Please do not get me wrong: We all trust in the staff's competence and trustwortiness.


And would it be that difficult to select two winners?


Accidently I can serve with an actual example of the current football championship.

The season is not still over but if you look at the second place you will find two teams.

No one has been deciding (and will not) about their position beyond the rules.


Therefore I recommend you to revise the decision.




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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 06:40 AM UTC
Marco,

Declaring two 1st place winners and 1 3rd place winner achieves the same thing...there are only 3 prizes available each month from the contest sponsor so some kind of separation has to happen for the 1-2-3. That's how DML determines which prizes go where. Since the rules are silent on ties, an interim solution is called for. The rules should be addressed to handle ties in the future but for this particular contest I don't see how else it could've been handled.
Jupiterblitz
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 06:56 AM UTC
Bill,

would DML really say "No way!" if they were asked to endow once two winner's prizes?


Especially as it is their contest with a quadruplication of the recent competitors..


Another way which does not involve DML into were to organise a run-off vote.

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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 08:25 AM UTC
Marco I did raise your concerns with Henk who is the managing editor for this area, he will be adding to the rules that "in the event of a draw the editors decision is final". Your earlier comments were not ignored, and have highlighted a weakness that needed clarifying.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 08:30 AM UTC
Congratulations to the winners.
Once again excellent work by everyone.
wbill76
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 12:44 PM UTC

Quoted Text

would DML really say "No way!" if they were asked to endow once two winner's prizes?



Having dealt with DML in my past life here as an editor on the site regarding DMoMs...all I can say is trying to get something like that accomplished is the equivalent of getting an oil tanker to turn on a dime. DML doesn't care about the number of entrants, they only care about the free (nearly) publicity that sponsoring the contest provides them. The establishment of the 1-2-3 winners was driven by DML's willingness to provide 3 prizes and not the other way around when the contest was established back at the beginning. That's why when there used to be 2 categories (Beginner and Advanced) and the three prizes were split with 2 going to Advanced and 1 to Beginner...because we only had 3 prizes to award. DML is not a charitable institution, they don't just say "how many do you need this month?" when it comes to prizes.

Congratulations to those who won and to all who entered! It was great to see the high level of entries and participation by all.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 02:00 PM UTC
Congratulations Paul, Özgür and Rzemyslaw.... and also to all the entrants. Great job!
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 06:49 PM UTC
Congrats to the winners.
My hat's off for the so tiny TKS !! Simply amazing.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 09:21 PM UTC
Thanks guys!
Congratulations to the others as well!
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 10:50 PM UTC
For me personally, Özgür would have just shaded it in a run-off (although that's taking nothing away from Paul's excellent M1A1).

And that tankette is a stunning piece of work.

All three are worthy winners in my view. Congrats to all.

- Steve
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 11:58 PM UTC
Congratulations to all the winners. There were some really good entries this round.

Cheers,
Ian
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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:19 AM UTC
This is not the first time that we have had a tie, and as before, the universal rule " the Editors decision is final" was applied.
The decision was not lightly taken, as I will explain.
I did not know the entries, other than seeing them, anonimously, in the gallery. So my decision was taken purely on the two pictures in the gallery. This is of course how it should be, the contest is as much about the photographic presentation as it is about the actual model.
For me, the M1 just edges it over the Stuka zu Fuss, because the angle of view shows the effort that went into the stowage on the turret, the detail of the mine plow, and the figures, which are animated.
The 251 looks very well done, but the angle of the picture does not show of the detail very well, and the lighting (white balance?) combined with the blue back ground does not bring out the colours of the camouflage very well.

As for having a run off, it is hard enough to get people to vote in the first place. Despite Darren's and Richard's increased exposure of the contest last month, only 106 members felt it nessecary to vote, and no.'s 1 and two each only having received 15 votes, indicates to me that the level of participation from the members does not warrant the extra work for Darren and Richard involved in having to repost a new thread, and try to get people to vote again.

To have such little participation or response, is hard enough if you are getting a pay cheque at the end of the month, but when you put in the many hours voluntarily, it sometimes make you wonder why you are doing it. Voting only takes one mouse click, even if you don't scrutinise every entry...

Henk
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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:33 AM UTC
i might be stupid, but where is the link to all the pictures. i love to see good builds. i checked the photos->contests, but there are no 2009 that i saw??? can someone help out with a linky
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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:40 AM UTC
Henk - fair points.

- Steve
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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 01:01 AM UTC
Here is a link to the gallery Mike look here, You must be logged in to the gallery in order to view the entries.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 01:41 AM UTC

Quoted Text

i might be stupid, but where is the link to all the pictures. i love to see good builds. i checked the photos->contests, but there are no 2009 that i saw??? can someone help out with a linky



If you go Here, Mike, you can see the whole line-up.
freeguner
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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 01:51 AM UTC
Hi all..

Well, it was a tough competition. I have full respect to Editors Tie-break decision..

Thanks to all who entered - voted and of course congratulations to the other winners.

Özgür



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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 01:53 AM UTC
Darn fine bit of modeling guys. Well done.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 02:06 AM UTC
Again congrats to everyone who entered and kudo's to the winners.

We (the Armorama Staff) have amended the DMoM rules to reflect the latest issues.

- Winners cannot enter the following month's DMoM.

- The winners of the novice catagory must enter in the advanced class forever after.

- Tie's will be decided by the editorial staff and this decision will be final.


cheers
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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 04:16 AM UTC
Congratulations for winners. Well deserved prizes

And many thanks to all voters


Regards
Przemyslaw

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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 10:23 AM UTC
Hello,

nice to see that everyone is finally satisfied with the decision.


Congratulations to Paul, Özgür and Przemyslaw.

Maybe you could post us here at armorama what prizes you will have receive?

Might be interesting for the others to see what for they through their hat into the ring...




"To have such little participation or response, is hard enough if you are getting a pay cheque at the end of the month, but when you put in the many hours voluntarily, it sometimes make you wonder why you are doing it. Voting only takes one mouse click, even if you don't scrutinise every entry..."


Keep up - next month will be better.

First steps into the right direction are done: Increased amount of participants and...votes.

That's something for the beginning.

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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 05:42 PM UTC
Dragon have been kind enough to give me the details of the prizes for the February AND the March contest.
So this the winners above will receive one of the following:

(Feb ’09)

Winner (Prize : #6321 Hummel Late Premium)

Runner-up (Prize : #6470 Grille H)

3rd place (Prize : #6477 20th Waffen-Grenadier-Division, Baltic States, 1944)

And the prizes for the March contest, for which you can now enter, are as follows:

(Mar ’09)

Winner (Prize : #6383 Tiger I Late w/ Zimmerit)

Runner-up (Prize : #6351 Jagdtiger Porsche Premium)

3rd place (Prize : #6509 German Rocket Launcher w/ Crew)

Now all form an orderly queue to enter please...

Henk
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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 06:24 PM UTC
Tuff call! I'm glad we now have a winnerI would have never thought that this was the 1st comp to have equal votes. Got to say the M1 is nice and a bit of a change, mind you the 251 is nice too. Like I said TUFF CALL. Cheers Geraint
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Posted: Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 12:18 PM UTC
Congrats to the winners!

I look forward to seeing the rest of the photos in the future–especially Paul's M1A1.

Well done to all.