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1:48 Fw 190A Nightfighters
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 10:33 AM UTC


Here is a full review build article of Eduard''s 1:48 scale Fw 190A Nightfighter Dual Combo, a very demanding but in the end also very rewarding package.

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If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 10:53 AM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc

Amazing work on what must be your quickest build yet! When you mentioned it to me last week, I thought you were planning to build the kits, not that you'd already got them almost finished! They look fantastic!

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 08:27 PM UTC
Hello Jean-Luc

it is just amazing how fast you put these complex kits together .. outstanding work!!! Will you bring them to Merchweiler?

Though .. you know me, I have two nit picks on the article:

In your Pg.4 paragraph you write of "2 13mm MG 17". That is wrong the 13mm gun was the MG 131 .. the MG 17 was a 7,92mm gun (according to Wikipedia ..I just checked it, I thought it was 7,62) .. also called "Luftwaffenanklopfgerät".

And another one re armament. In paragraph pg. 5-7 you write that the covers on the wings were added for the MG 151, which is also not quite correct. they were added for the larger 3cm MKs (108 or 103). It seems they went into standard production of the wing as it was fitted no matter what actual armament was in the wing and it seems also very common on Schlachtflieger versions (of course there is always the exception to the rule that ruins your(my) day)

Still a great article but my kit will be in the box for quite a while .. soooooo many other projects to build...

all the best

Steffen
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 01:20 AM UTC
Hi Rowan and Steffen,

Thanks for the kind words... and the nitpicking!

I will of course edit the article. I've finished it late last night so let's say I was a little bit tired...

Thanks again guys!

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 01:35 AM UTC
Hi again Steffen,

I've changed the text. The first mistake happened because I've wrongly read the kit's history and the second because of my lack of knowledge about the subject... so thank you again!

Of course I will bring the Fw 190s to Merchweiler. I didn't built many models this year so they will fill the space on the tables. Will you come with your models as well?

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 01:35 AM UTC
The two planes both look great. It is annoying that there aren't enough parts to build every combination of the options, and after making that engine, you would have thought they would have added the detail to the engine covers so you can show it off.
The photos of the different stages of painting look really good- the two planes being placed in exactly the same place between shots.
How long did these take to build Jean-Luc?
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 04:47 AM UTC
Hi again

Just for thought: looking at the pix of Migges white 9 and your model the rhs antennae look too narrow together and the lhs is also not fully met (should be closer to the wing IMO) ... I know I am a PITA ....

Edit: when I speak of sides (in most cases) I try to refer to it from the pilots perspective sitting in his crate





all the best

Steffen
P.S. Source: http://www.dorst-freiburg.de/Kopie%20(8)%20von%20hp72z/Fw190.html
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 05:16 AM UTC
Hi Steffen

It also looks like the antennae on the left (of picture) were parallel to the ground, not following the wing's dihedral as in the kit.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 05:31 AM UTC
Well I think the kit/ J-L got it right.

When you look at the shadow at the leading edge and the aerial it seems to be the same angle (IMO)

all the best

Steffen
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 05:31 AM UTC
Hi Steffen

I wonder if that is "White 9"? There seems to be an outline to the fuselage cross and the lower cowl is a dark colour. Looking at the shots at the bottom on your link (and not being able to read the German text quickly), are they all of the same aicraft? - those details differ between pics. Was it repainted?

All the best

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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 05:40 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Well I think the kit/ J-L got it right.

When you look at th eshadow at the leading edge and the aerial it seems to be the same angle (IMO)

all the best

Steffen



Hi again

We may be talking at cross purposes. The aerials on the right of picture (the aircraft's port wing) are indeed at the angle of the wing - but the ones on the other side are pretty much parallel to the ground:

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 05:50 AM UTC
Hi Rowan

might be, but there is the ortho chromatic crap and IMO the lower cowl could be yellow (BTW there are for sure pix of different aircraft .. but I think the one I quoted plus the one directly left of it show the same a/c .. too bad we can*t read the inscription on the "nose art")

Thats why I do not like searching the i-net, but I could not find anything in my books so far .. still I do not think the aerials would be different on another machine. of course there are these pix of a prototype with non streamlined arms, but still the distances are the same because you need exact measures here to get correct readings from your screen.

I am pretty sure the distances in the kit are wrong (thats why I searched for some pix) ... if you can prove me wrong I would be happy to admit I made a mistake.

all the best

Steffen

P.S. Luckily I found 2 pix of 1N in Lorant vol.1 so I am pretty sure I can build that machine one day (it is the one I want to do plus an A-5 of Walter Grabmann)


P.P.S.

Quoted Text

We may be talking at cross purposes. The aerials on the right of picture (the aircraft's port wing) are indeed at the angle of the wing - but the ones on the other side are pretty much parallel to the ground:



ahh yes, my bad .. think you are right considering the prototype pictures on the site I have given
Steffen
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 05:56 AM UTC
Hi Steffen

No, I agree with you that there's something not quite right about the kit's antennae. The "anters" on the left (the a/c's starbord wing) definitely look longer on the real plane.

Still, I only wish I could build as well (and as quickly!) as Jean-Luc!

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 07:18 AM UTC
Hi
These two look like credible Mosquito hunters don't they ?
The Eduard dual combo set has a lot to offer, I'm impressed
Jean-Luc's work is outstanding, I like the paintjobs
I'll belong to the lucky ones who will see the models for real in Merchweiler

cheers

Marc
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 07:36 AM UTC
Looks great!

Выглядит здорово!

It seems to me that lower surfices aren`t painted in light blue, are they?
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 07:46 AM UTC
Hi Aleksey

yes, it looks healthy (had to use multitran ... my Russian is much too rusty)

Hа здоровье!

Steffen
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 08:49 AM UTC
Hi all,

It seems there is a lot to discuss about the models. I think it's great because that's why review builds are made for aren't they?

Ben, the first picture (cockpit tubs) was taken in September 2nd and the pictures of the finished model in October 1st. So it took about a month to complete both models.

Aleksey, the under surfaces are light blue (RLM 76) but the oil wash may have darken the color a little bit, or maybe it's because the pictures were shot at dusk...

I've decided to build the models as per instructions and from the box, including the color shemes and the position of the antennas... except for those which are located on the underside of the A-7. The antennas of the A-8 also look a bit thick when compared to the real ones.

Hi Marc! Nice to read you here!

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 09:31 AM UTC
Great job. Nice review and great photography. Wingman out.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 12:12 PM UTC
Those are both very fine builds, Jean-Luc, but now you've probably caused me to have to add this set to my already burgeoning stash.

A question: were you able to mix a good color match for the Eduard pre-painted interior parts, or did you use the interior tint color you referred to in the build article to integrate them? (Edit: I reread the article and see that you used X63, but the second part of the question still applies.) I had a devil of a time matching that color on the Eduard 190a5 I built a few months ago. In fact, I wasn't able to get it perfect.

Again, two gorgeous builds

Automaton
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 03:41 PM UTC
You amaze an delight with every build, Jean Luc- and it's a double header this time! Fascinating commentary about the antennae and colors- I've always been intrigued about the picture taken at dawn or dusk that shows the heavy shadow falling nearly parallel across the airframe- you know the one? Many odd color profiles born from that, I think!

Cheers!
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 07:35 PM UTC
Hi all,


Quoted Text

A question: were you able to mix a good color match for the Eduard pre-painted interior parts



I think I've found a good color match. On the picture below, the difference seems obvious but in real it is very difficult to see. I don't know why it appears that way on the photo, maybe because of the difference of material?



Chuck, I don't know the picture you are talking about (do you have a link?) but I know of a famous Ju88 photo which lead the Dragon guys to believe the aircraft received a special paint sheme while it was in fact the shadow of the above camouflage netting...

Steffen, it seems as if the photo in this thread isn't Migge's aircraft. There are different fuselage and underwing crosses (as Rowan mentionned) and the "Adlerflügel" isn't present on the side. But I've noticed that I've forgot to add one small antenna on the bottom of the rear fuselage and I've also forgot to paint the pitch controller system in alu.

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 08:06 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Steffen, it seems as if the photo in this thread isn't Migge's aircraft. There are different fuselage and underwing crosses (as Rowan mentionned) and the "Adlerflügel" isn't present on the side. But I've noticed that I've forgot to add one small antenna on the bottom of the rear fuselage and I've also forgot to paint the pitch controller system in alu.



Hi Jean-Luc

Well, how can you be that sure? have you pictures of Migges aircraft or are you just basing this statement on Eduard instructions? But again: I was not talking about colours this time but only criticised the kit for wrong antenna layout and I stand to that comment.

The small stab antena under the rear fuselage is for the IFF FuG 25/FuG 25a (IIRC)

all the best

Steffen
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 09:21 PM UTC
Hi Steffen,

I'm not sure at all! I wrote "it seems..."

I based my comment on the other pictures in the link you've posted earlier. Of course it can be Migge's aircraft at an earlier stage and of course you are right about the antennas...

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 09:36 PM UTC
Good morning Jean-Luc

I wish i could remember where i had seen the pix of Migges a/c IIRC there were ar least 2 that show the white 9 (and not only the one posted in the link above that does not allow much conclusions .. fuselage crosses and so forth not to be seen). I think "Kognak Y pumpe" was his personal emblem so if we could read the inscription it would help.

I do not think you can see if there is an "Adlerflügel" on the pic I posted in this thread because the guys hiding that area .. my quota at kitmaker is almost full so I won't post reworked pix with what I mean .. if you do not get my idea, so be it ...

The models are beautifully executed and very fast as our Master of Ceremonies already pointed out.The only thing that got me started was the right wing (seen from pilots seat) antenna mounts that just look strange and made me look for some backup of my "bad feeling" .... If I would have to build oob i would snip a mm of the left wing mounts and add these to the other two ... but IF I ever build this machine i will probably use the Dragon kit with the Eduard markings .. sometimes it's nice to have a stack ...

cheers

Steffen

BTW I still take wishes for kits that I should bring with me to Merchweiler ...

Some decision help can be found here and of course in my Aeroscale Blogs ...
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 11:09 PM UTC
Hi Steffen,


Quoted Text

BTW I still take wishes for kits that I should bring with me to Merchweiler ...



Definitely the He 112, your latest Corsair and the Fokker E.V...

Jean-Luc