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LZ models' G10 German railcar
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Posted: Friday, April 15, 2011 - 11:07 AM UTC
Bill Cross reviews LZ models' exciting new G10 German boxcar.



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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 06:27 AM UTC
This one hasn't attracted the kind of attention I thought it would.
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 03:41 PM UTC
I'm a bit surprised as well. This is a very nice looking kit, especially the detialing on the underside. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any need for any scratchbuilding to detail this if I understand corrrectly?
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2011 - 03:14 AM UTC
Jeremy, this kit is a minor miracle, a world unto itself. You don't need anything more than glue and paints.

The diorama possibilities are very interesting, including soldiers off-loading supplies, troops de-training (or entraining), as part of a flatcar-boxcar pairing with a tank, etc.
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2011 - 09:55 AM UTC
Hi Guys,
so far it sells very well, all around the world, so I think the ineterst is not as bad as it looks like I also believe that new release from LZ models will open kinda discussion soon
Cheers
Libor
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Posted: Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 12:00 AM UTC
Thanks for the update, Libor. We hope the review here on Armorama will help your sales, as the car is a masterpiece. Sometimes folks just go out and order what they want and don't comment.
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Posted: Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 04:38 AM UTC
To use this as a post WWII railcar as suggested some minor modification would be needed. Compare this post WWII wagon with the kit to see the diagonal end braces.

Wrecked but postwar

Postwar german rail used the reddish color shown for the regular cargo wagons. Greenish colors where wagons used in repair trains etc.

The cars where in operation into the late 1960s/early 1970s,

Privat but run by DB

And another variant shortly postwar

The car is also quite old and variants with a caboose existed

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Posted: Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 10:21 AM UTC
Thanks, MBR, for the photos and the information.

I did not mean to imply the WW2 cars continued on without modification, though I doubt the DB did more than press the old RB cars into service in the early post-war years. Given the state of the German economy prior to the "boom," I'm sure many a RB car was given a coat of paint and "decommissioned/demobbed."
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Posted: Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 10:48 AM UTC

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Thanks, MBR, for the photos and the information.

I did not mean to imply the WW2 cars continued on without modification, though I doubt the DB did more than press the old RB cars into service in the early post-war years. Given the state of the German economy prior to the "boom," I'm sure many a RB car was given a coat of paint and "decommissioned/demobbed."



Totally agree there, this was more a "oh, I found out that..." then a "but you must change". And even then the changes are small, basically just the reinforcements in the corners.

As for colors: Reichbahn wagons where

Body # RAL 13 → RAL 8013 rotbraun (1927-1935)
# RAL 13a → RAL 8012 braunrot (post 1935)

Frame: RAL 5 → RAL 9005 tiefschwarz

Roof: RAL 2 → RAL 7009 grüngrau
RAL-7021) (post 1943)

Source, german wiki
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Posted: Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 01:47 PM UTC
That's FABULOUS. Who makes these colors?

RAL 8013 is listed as Schiffbodenfarbe (black) in other sites.

And RAL 7009 seems to be hard to find, too.
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Posted: Monday, April 25, 2011 - 10:18 PM UTC
RAL 7009 is available from Revell - 32167 or Vallejo
RAL 8013 from Testors
The diagonal end braces were used even earlier, I have seen many WWII pictures where they are shown - and also original 1944 wagon drawings with them. Originally I was thinking this variant was the best idea for WW era car, improved G wagon version with these braces will follow later together with some post war marking, and later on I would really like to also early version with roof level brake cab. But before that correct SSy a SSym platformwagons will be released
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Posted: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - 12:01 AM UTC
Thanks for the Info.

And I agree, the "basic" wagon is the best choice as a "first in family" kit. That way one can either wait for the variants or use it as a base for scratchbuilding

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Posted: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - 06:44 AM UTC
A very Cool kit. Was hopeing to find one in plastic, not very good working with resin or scratchbuilding, But I think I'll add this to the wish list and give it a try sometime. soon. With Libor's build log as ref, this will make a fine addition to my WWII Military Railroad build which I hope to start in the November campaign. milvehfan
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Posted: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - 08:58 AM UTC

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That's FABULOUS. Who makes these colors?

RAL 8013 is listed as Schiffbodenfarbe (black) in other sites.

And RAL 7009 seems to be hard to find, too.



RAL 8013:



It's a browner hue than RAL 8012 Rotbraun. RAL 8013 replaced RAL 8012 in the wartime RAL register in 1943. Modelmaster E4263 is the color you're looking for. As for some sites listing it as black, bet you saw that at the Great Models site, right? Most sites are too lazy to post a picture of the actual color. GM happens to use a picture of MM E4227 Black as a generic representation for all of the MM Acryl paints.

Re RAL 7009, Revell Enamel Color 32167 or Aqua Color 36167 are a good match. Don't use any paint that represents FS34079, as recommended by some. RAL 7009 was called Hellgrau 2, for obvious reasons. It was used mostly as a primer color.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - 06:06 PM UTC
This is great info guys, and the perfect place for sharing it!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 - 01:06 AM UTC

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Bill,

That’s an awesome kit.

I actually build model trains, in addition to model armor, and have thought about building a model of the “Dora” Railgun on display at the Patton Armor Museum and modifying it so that it could be pulled behind one of my 1:64th scale model trains.

I just wanted to tell you that, at least in the US, “train wheels” (aka. bogies) are left unpainted, and develop surface rust almost immediately as will couplers. Thus, even on a car that is just rolling out of the factory, the bogies, which are generally stored outside, will already have a patina of rust.

Here are some examples of factory new bogies;





I just thought I’d tell you this to help you improve your already awesome model.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 - 03:27 AM UTC
Tyler, thanks for the bogies! One never quite knows how to paint some items. Hopefully Libor is taking notes to include in this next kits.

Joseph, thanks for the updates on color. Schiffsbodenfarbe is a color I'm familiar with from U-boats, but it's a very dark chocolate-brown or charcoal gray in the Kriegsmarine.

And finally, I'm thrilled to see this kind of discussion and exchange of information here. Thanks everyone!!
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 - 05:18 PM UTC
I believe there are termed axles - even with the wheels mounted. Bogies (mostly UK), or trucks in the US, are the pivoted structure with 2-3 axles mounted.
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Hi guys, as another part-time train modeller, I can tell you that in the States wheelsets (2 wheels plus axle) and couplers are left "raw" to make it easier to detect structural problems like cracks that could be covered up by paint. However, the outside faces of the wheels (the face you see when standing trackside watching trains go by) in the steam era used to get caked in crusty grease escaping from the bearing boxes at the axle ends, so they were often a grimy dark dirty grey. The running surface (where the wheel makes contact) was either polished shiny or coated with surface rust (if the car hadn't moved for a few days), while the wheel backs etc were rusty and dusty.

I don't know about Europe, but I can guess much the same applied...
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 05:11 AM UTC
Has anyone on this site built this model yet?
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Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 - 05:22 PM UTC
I've always loved railcars and have been a big fan of LZ Models for a long time so I've loved this piece for awhile. I'd also love to see someone post any type of build photos of this model.

Jim
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Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 - 06:02 PM UTC
LZ and Mirror make simply sweet kits of some of the most unusual, never/rarely seen 1/35, subjects!
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Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 - 09:13 PM UTC

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Has anyone on this site built this model yet?


It's in my stash, LOL.